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Metal Gear Solid 3 plot confusion

This is just my attempt to clear up the plot confusion in MGS3 - specifically about why the Boss and Ocelot were trying to kill Snake (Big Boss) if they were ordered to aid him the whole time in retriving the legacy and allow him to kill the Boss herself. These are my theories:

1. Why was Ocelot trying to kill Snake? - Ocelot's grudge against Snake had gotten the better of him and he was disobeying his orders. This is why the Pain attacks Ocelot and his men during his duel with Snake at the canyon, and why the Boss later breaks his revolver.

2. Why were the Boss' Cobras trying to kill Snake? - This is less clear - my theory is that the Boss wanted them to test his strength - if he could defeat them then the Boss would know he would be an even match for her (if they had killed him then she likely would've had a backup plan, such as allowing Ocelot to kill her and take the legacy instead).

They may also have been attempting to buy time for the Boss so she could locate the legacy before Snake made it to Volgan's base.

3. Why does the Boss fight Snake at the finale? Why not just allow Snake to kill her - or just kill herself and let Snake take credit for it? - This is harder to explain; I'll assume that she just believed that as a soldier sucide was cowardice. And she knew Snake wouldn't voluntarily kill her unless she goaded him into it by fighting him to the death. If she had killed Snake, then again she probably would've had a backup plan in mind - such as having Eva or Ocelot kill her and take the legacy.

This is the best sense I can make of this anyway. Any thoughts here?

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1. I always got the feeling that Ocelot was a little jealous of BB. He saw this person who had the greatest soldier in the worlds' team after him, imo he wanted to prove himself better than him. Killing him would prove he was better, therefore he wanted to kill him. At some point though he clearly started to see why The Boss had such an interest in him.

2. I always assumed that was their orders. While The Boss respected them more than anyone (with the exception of The Sorrow and Big Boss) I can't see her telling them her true orders. She ordered them to use lethal force, genuinely try and kill him. The truest combat test for her protégé, how else to know he's the best person to carry on her will than to test him with the very best. However now that you mention it, them buying time for The Boss to find the legacy could have been part of their orders, or at the very least a by-product of them.

3. I think she was a little narcissistic here, rightly so but still, I think she considered herself the very best soldier in the world. She knew what killing her would do to BB but knew that it was something he had to do (in her mind at least) to take her place. She set herself up as the final test, if he could kill her, while she was at her best trying to kill him, then mentally he'd be capable of any mission he'd take on in the future. Maybe it was a pseudo-parental thing as well, wanting to see him surpass her, the only way she could think of was to have him kill her.

Or I could be miles off :P it's been a few years since I've played, so I could be forgetting some important dialogue that explains some of these questions.

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Regarding why she didn't just commit suicide, EVA mentioned in her debriefing that when given her new set of orders to be killed by Snake thanks to Volgin, she was specifically forbidden to commit suicide, so there's that to be said (then again, what she did was still technically suicide in a "suicide by cop" manner.).

Quite frankly, her entire character and motivations didn't really make much sense to begin with. She claims people shouldn't act as weapons to kill each other, yet she has absolutely no qualms with nuking Groznyj Grad and Graniny Gorki late into the mission, something that, BTW, was rightfully treated as a very heinous act when Volgin did something similar with the Sokolov Design Bureau in the Virtuous Mission and a likely war crime?

Same with Ocelot. Then again, considering this is the same franchise that had Liquid allegedly having planned for Snake to activate REX all along despite clearly trying to kill him with the Hind earlier, all for the sake of a plot twist of his mimicking Master Miller, I've pretty much given up on making sense out of these things. Plot twists when done right can actually be good, but when they are done like this, it comes across as very poor writing.

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Same with Ocelot. Then again, considering this is the same franchise that had Liquid allegedly having planned for Snake to activate REX all along despite clearly trying to kill him with the Hind earlier, all for the sake of a plot twist of his mimicking Master Miller, I've pretty much given up on making sense out of these things. Plot twists when done right can actually be good, but when they are done like this, it comes across as very poor writing.

That one's a little easier to get past - even if Liquid had killed Snake, he and his men could've just located the activation codes themselves - it just wouldv'e taken them longer to.

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Weedle McHairybug wrote:
Regarding why she didn't just commit suicide, EVA mentioned in her debriefing that when given her new set of orders to be killed by Snake thanks to Volgin, she was specifically forbidden to commit suicide, so there's that to be said (then again, what she did was still technically suicide in a "suicide by cop" manner.).

Quite frankly, her entire character and motivations didn't really make much sense to begin with. She claims people shouldn't act as weapons to kill each other, yet she has absolutely no qualms with nuking Groznyj Grad and Graniny Gorki late into the mission, something that, BTW, was rightfully treated as a very heinous act when Volgin did something similar with the Sokolov Design Bureau in the Virtuous Mission and a likely war crime?

Same with Ocelot. Then again, considering this is the same franchise that had Liquid allegedly having planned for Snake to activate REX all along despite clearly trying to kill him with the Hind earlier, all for the sake of a plot twist of his mimicking Master Miller, I've pretty much given up on making sense out of these things. Plot twists when done right can actually be good, but when they are done like this, it comes across as very poor writing.

you really hate the Boss don't you? in every thread about her you inmediately go on to say how her ideals don't make sense 

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177.249.102.24 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:
Regarding why she didn't just commit suicide, EVA mentioned in her debriefing that when given her new set of orders to be killed by Snake thanks to Volgin, she was specifically forbidden to commit suicide, so there's that to be said (then again, what she did was still technically suicide in a "suicide by cop" manner.).

Quite frankly, her entire character and motivations didn't really make much sense to begin with. She claims people shouldn't act as weapons to kill each other, yet she has absolutely no qualms with nuking Groznyj Grad and Graniny Gorki late into the mission, something that, BTW, was rightfully treated as a very heinous act when Volgin did something similar with the Sokolov Design Bureau in the Virtuous Mission and a likely war crime?

Same with Ocelot. Then again, considering this is the same franchise that had Liquid allegedly having planned for Snake to activate REX all along despite clearly trying to kill him with the Hind earlier, all for the sake of a plot twist of his mimicking Master Miller, I've pretty much given up on making sense out of these things. Plot twists when done right can actually be good, but when they are done like this, it comes across as very poor writing.

you really hate the Boss don't you? in every thread about her you inmediately go on to say how her ideals don't make sense 

After mulling things over, not to mention reading some GameFAQs commentary discussing her, I actually am inclined to agree that her motives don't really make any sense, especially when the "true will" in MGS4 didn't even match up with her words or actions in MGS3.