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2014 Ray is the MARINES RAY check the video look at it's left thigh even on the picture on the article you can see a white sign on it's outer upper left tight barely

Urr, everyone knows this Gas. What other RAY could it possibly be? All the others were destroyed by Raiden. Oh, and for your information the text on his leg actually says "Outer Haven". Liquid Ocelot must have removed the "Marine Corps." text and replaced it witht that. --Fantomas 09:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's called SINCE HE HAS THE DATA AND THE ORIGINAL RAY he can duplicate it, he did it 25 times before and he did have 5 years to do it which is 3 years more then it took to build the first 25. Then where did you get the outer heaven info From? So it has a large possibility of being another Mass Produced, but modified version of RAY it's easy to do when you can take apart to original/prototype and put it together for 5 years and you have over 8 billion plus (2 billion per year from the US alone if I remember my budget correctly)to blow.Plus it just said MARINES not MARINES CORP. I remember that picture clearly since I took it about 50 times with in a period of 3 months.it just says OUTER on the left side meaning it might not even say outer heaven/haven and might even be like I said "another Mass Produced, but modified version of RAY"-Gas Snake 05:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

"he did it 25 times before and he did have 5 years to do it which is 3 years more then it took to build the first 25".... What? It was The Patriots who did it, not Liquid Ocelot. Now, why would they mass produce RAY again when they have a much better model of Metal Gear (the GEKKOU) roaming around now? I fail to see why Liquid Ocelot would mass produce an out of date Metal Gear, especially when they were all taken out so easily by Raiden and then Solidus. If you remember Gas, it was stated that the Marines original RAY was more heavily armoured than the mass-produced models. Why make the same mistake twice? Wait, why are you arguing against this when you brought it up? --Fantomas 08:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MGS2 to MGS4

is it me or does the ray in mgs4 seem much more colossal than in mgs2? maybe liquid built a bigger version from the prototype he stole, hence the, or lack thereof, the tail Leonidas-300 10:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't really seem to be in the trailer long enough for us to compare it to anything (size wise). I hadn't noticed the lack of a tail though. Very interesting. --Fantomas 10:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)