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Crying Wolf

Look at the picture of Raiden standing atop Crying Wolf.

I think that is the MGS4-Raiden.

Controller input

I hope this has PlayStation Move support. Mgstec 19:38, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like I should have checked lower first. Mgstec 19:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

It can't be a different Raiden because the trailer says "Raiden's back", which wouldn't make any sense if it was a different person.

That doesnt exactly prove anything honestly. the wiki should be kept as is intill kojima productions state specificly that its jack. All we seen is someone who looks similar to raiden, but in several ways looks very diffrent, especialy the eyes, which the trailer has unusual amount of focus on, and the words raiden is back. by those accounts it could ether be facal reconstruction sergery that includes the eyes, or someone with the same codename. Like how Solid snake and big boss shared the code name snake.


-Agreed, but please use your spell check when you are typing here sir. I do think that it should remain as is, and the trivia regarding the bolt action rifle be taken down. That is ridiculous and it is obvious to just about everyone that the "Lightning Bolt" would be referring to Raiden (雷電) which means thunder and lightning, and not referring to a rifle.

Raiden is just a Code name. But its obvious its not little john they even say Jack.

Raiden?

Has it been confirmed yet that it is actually Jack whose the star? Or is there still the possibility it's someone else called Raiden (The tagline "Raiden is back" would still make sense a little if it was little John, for example). -Chaos91 06:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

That's just stupid. It's clearly not Little John.

I was just using the first example I could think of. My question still stands. In my opinion it obviously is Raiden, but we can't say for certain it is unless Kojima has confirmed it. -Chaos91 17:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Bait 'n' Switch.

I'm willing to bet someone out there's already claimed this is gonna be an inversion of the MGS2 Bait 'n' switch... Raven's wing 13:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I read something about that. It would be hilarious - but we know Snake didn't get up to anything during mgs2 and mgs4 and Kojima just wouldn't let us play as Snake again. So it would have to be a whole new character. As funny as it would be though, I'm hoping it's Raiden the whole way through he's always been my favorite and I would love to play as him. -Chaos91 17:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
however do you think he's going to let us play as a ninja this time? thats been asked for since MGS1 --Drawde83 21:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Probably, but it's still a stealth game, so I don't believe that jumping around slashing up your enemies will be the main focus so much as using active camo to move around them and things... :--Hexhunter -- Deus X Machina 17:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, after all, ninjas are masters of stealth, not the flashy magic and weapondary that things like naruto and ninja gaiden would make you beleve :P
In the same way some people base their opinions on what vampires are like on Twilight. It's BS. Raven's wing 22:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
At least ninjas, in a way, exist and still exist irl. not in the role they once were though. now nujitsu really only exists for physical training, and possably self defence, purposes. --24.226.25.125 03:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This game has the line "Lightning Bolt Action" instead of "Tactical Espionage Action", so there is the possibility of jumping about and slashing people in a Gray Fox-esque manner. Shockwolf10 09:38, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Fujin?

Raiden needs an enemy that can match him on every level much like liquid and solid, Raijin need his "brother" fujin. if you think about it that way maybe just maybe the fact the "raiden" we see in the teaser pictures with a brown eye and a Bandanna with a different suit is "Fujin" the rival. People think outside the box more it's a reasonable conclusion then it's raiden!!-76.21.106.232 06:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


I was actually thinking the same exact thing after I realized that it showed Raijin and Fuujin in the trailer. They also mentioned in one of their podcasts that the eye color is part of the story so maybe this is it.


This is probably completely irrelevant, but Liquid Snake was introduced in the third game of the series (MG, MGII, >MGS<). Raiden is introduced in MGS2, and two games later, perhaps another one of the child soldiers will arise. That would be exciting... Alas i never got into the next gen so I'm still stuck at MGS3. 68.193.113.198 23:25, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Outside the conversation but I point this anyway. Raijin and Fujin are two characters in Final Fantasy VIII. Dr.Ed Argon 15:49, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ocelot??

The game should have Ocelot in it. what would a metal gear solid game be without a clever Ocelot twist in the end

Ocelot didn't really have an appearance in Metal Gear Solid 2 or 4 (although the latter is understandable, as he died from FOXDIE 2.0). And I doubt that he would even drop the Liquid Ocelot act, assuming that this game does indeed explain what happened between 2 and 4.
You serious? He had a huge appearance in MGS2. Remember the whole S3 reveal, or the sequence where he catches the disguised Raiden with the hostages, among others? --Fantomas 22:51, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
My mistake, then. Weedle McHairybug 17:56, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Even though Ocelot did get large appearances in MGS1, MGS2, and MGS3 (not so huge, but oh well), I agree. MGSR wouldn't be the same without Ocelot. Although if the game is set AFTER MGS4, I doubt Ocelot will appear in it.

The game is set in between MGS2 and MGS4 (storywise, that is) so Ocelot might have an appearance in Rising afterall. But it wouldn't be the same without Ocelot in a "Solid" game. Agent M 09:40, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt it, cause at the beginging of 4, they state 'Liquid's made his move' meaning he's in the public eye again, so it's safe to assume he spent the majority of time in MGS2-4 hidden, otherwise MGS4 woulda taken place a whole lot earlier when they spot Liquid Snake would'nt be so old, Noami wouldn't have died.. wow >.> they'd have pretty much owned Liquid and the patriots would still be in control Zachariah Zuan 11:38, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

My Ideas on the Game

Okay..here's what I think what will happen with Rising. (There's actually 1 of 2 ways I think it would go down, and I'll say them both.)


Idea Number 1: The first mission you do will be Raiden's Infiltration of Area 51, the Patriot Base where Sunny was held. You'll do the mission up to a point, and then be captured by the Patriots. Raiden will then be used as a test subject for the Cyborg Ninja Experiments, and become the new Ninja. You'll break out, or Big Mama will break you out, and the rest of the game will be stealth, with some of that "Lightning Fast Ninja Action" that Raiden is known for.


Idea Number 2: Most of the game will be like MGS4, meaning missions in different Areas, all stealth based. Then the penultimate (next to last) mission will be the Area 51 Op. You'll go through the Base, and get to a point where you'll have little baby Sunny in your arms, when you'll be captured by the Patriots. You'll get the surgery, break out, and meet Madnar. Madnar will fix you up, and after practicing a bit with your newly gained abilities, will learn of the new location of Sunny. This mission would probably not be stealth based, and be more like the cut scene with Raiden at the End of the South America mission, which is Raiden jumping around killing Gekko, and doing the Japanese, self suicide stab to get at Vamp. Oh, and there will most likely be some kind of reference, or mission related to Big Boss's corpse.


wait.. baby sunny, and fighting Vamp in the middle east.. o.o how old do you think she is? either way I feel 1 is the more likley, I can see Raiden, all human and whatnot infiltrating Area 51, (like MGS2 when you play as Snake for the 1st part) then become Cyborged up, then it's finding Sunny, and Big Boss' Corpse ...hmm I wonder whos corpse you'll find? Solidus or Big Boss' Zachariah Zuan 11:46, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Allusions

There are a few instances in novels/games which seem to allude to RISING

1. MGS4-at the very end when sunny says 'look at the sun its rising ( i kinda thought this my have inspired the title)

2. The MGS2 novel- there is a short part where otacon sees Arsenal Gear coming out of the water, he thinks 'it's rising, it' RISING' with the second one capitalized.

Just thought it was interesting to note.--Soul reaper 13:10, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Boxart!

Hey guys i found the boxart for Rising, it seems legit, what do you guys think? Exhorresco 20:55, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Here's a better image: [1]. Seems legit, except for the absence of the Kojima Productions Logo, etc. --Fantomas 21:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
Well apparently it was added onto Xbox Live before being abruptly removed... --Fantomas 21:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Was the boxart image removed because people thought it was fake? Because it was definitely genuine as the same image appears on the game's website. I think it should be put up again even if it is only a conceptual boxart--Soul reaper 06:51, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

No, I just wanted to get official confirmation before uploading it. I still think we should wait, as the boxart hasn't been officially released just yet. --Fantomas 08:30, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Fair point, just wanted to make sure it wasn't just someone who dislikes the artwork. I have a few screenshots from the website that can be used if desired such as this one [[2]]--Soul reaper 09:14, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think we need any more images than what we have know, but thanks for your upload. --Fantomas 09:45, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Game Info

According to various sources Hideo Kojima has stated that Rising will use Kinect on the 360. Kinect is the upcoming motion control for the Xbox 360. This is one of the sites that has this info [3]

On a related note there isn't any reference for the part that states ' Hideo Kojima has also confirmed that it will be a stealth game, just like its predecessors.' I have searched this but have not found it anywhere but here. Is this from a credible source?--Soul reaper 11:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Figured it would be compatible with Kinect (and by extension Playstation Move), but it's good to see confirmation. The "Rising is still a stealth game" is confirmed by Kojima himself in this video: "Metal Gear Solid Rising Konami Press Conference Announcement" --Fantomas 12:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
I would image you would still be able to use a regular gamepad if only because both Kinect and Move are new and it's still unknown how players will react to them--Soul reaper 13:20, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Wow , does anybody think this looks a little violent and graphic...I mean for Metal Gear?...reguardless , it still looks awesomeBigBoss1292 17:11, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
Guys, I've seen the release date for MGSR in europe or at least the Netherlands. It's January the 15th 2011 LRage Juggernaut 14:26, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

MGS Rising Interview Setting info and more!

Here it is! [4]


Exhorresco 10:28, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Raiden's(or whoever) new look

Has anybody else had the feeling that raidens(?) new hairstyle kind of makes him look like dirty harry? In the new trailer I mean.

E3 Gameplay Trailer 2010

I went on Youtube and saw the E3 Gameplay Trailer, which was packed with new info about the game. In one scene, Raiden faces a group of soldiers, but instead of slicing and dicing 'em, he rather cuts down the support beams of the ledge they are under. When you "chop" something, there is an indicator to where the sword will go, in a blue and red colored "arc". There is control over time to some extent, where it is shown Raiden kicks a soldier into the air, goes into slow-motion, then precisely angles the aforementioned "arc", and slices his legs off first, then slices his body diagonally, while it looks like Raiden is in normal speed (enhanced speed, perhaps?) Then is depicts how most of the environment is destructable, with Raiden cutting a van into pieces, and ends on a rather humorous note, with Raiden cutting a watermelon into edible pieces. Agent M 09:36, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we've all seen it. --Fantomas 17:44, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
Then shouldn't it be added to the gameplay section of the article? Agent M 08:03, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

release dates

i've seen the release date for MGSR in europe or at least the Netherlands. It's 15 january 2011


can someone put it in the article since i'm new on wiki, so i don't make any mistakes LRage Juggernaut 18:59, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I went to a Gamestop the other day to buy the Peace Walker strategy guide. The guy at the register said if I was interested I could pre-order Rising, and that it should be released in North America on April 2nd next year.WolfMaster 19:47, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

The Name?

I really like the sound of the name. Metal Gear Solid: RISING.


But I have one question. Why might they have added the SOLID after Metal Gear? Metal Gear Rising sounds cooler.Otacon1514 22:45, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

They've been called "Solid" ever since the games went into 3D, not simply because Solid Snake is the main character, though it was obviously a play on his name. Metal Gear Solid is also the more recognizable title for the franchise. --Bluerock 12:43, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
Good point. Good point indeed. Otacon1514 09:27, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
Tradition, I suppose. I also agree it should be called Metal Gear Rising. --69.108.137.204 11:59, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
Ironic how you already "knew" this was going to be called "Metal Gear Rising back in 2010. Seems like Kojima Productions changed their mind. YouNoobxD94 12:34, December 11, 2011 (UTC)YouNoobxD94

Multiplayer mode has been revealed

Just found a site with a menu screenshot from Rising. I'm a little skeptical about the site and the screenshot but i thought i'd let the community be the judge

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=122367

if people think it's a good enough source then we can add info to the page, if not we'll just wait for a better source.--Soul reaper 11:55, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

CQC?

Ok you guys. I think that the NO-KILL completion for MGS: Rising is plausible with CQC. If you notice on this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgJOUjAEa2U&feature=related

While fighting vamp it seems that Raiden is proficient in CQC. What do you guys think? 174.31.26.151 23:15, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Specs?

Any word on the system requirements? I am anticipating this game on PC along with Battlefield 3. Seeing as this will be a multi-platform game.

Snake in Rising

Do you think Snake will be a part of Rising even in a minor role, let's say, Codec Calls or something? I mean, he's alive at the time Rising takes place.

I think it's a high possibility...if the game is about what all this speculation suggests, [ I.E. Raiden saving Sunny from Area 51 and being transformed into a cyborg] I think Snake and possibly Otacon will make an appearance...albeit very minor. If not with codec calls maybe we will see Raiden entrusting Sunny in their care. BigBoss1292 05:07, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

I hope they don't have an appearance, as it would kind of screw up some lines in MGS4. When Old Snake is first contacted by Raiden in South America, he sounds really surprised, and then later when he's talking to Rose and Campbell he says he hadn't heard from him since Big Shell. I suppose both Otacon and Snake could have appearances, for example when Raiden drops Sunny off with them he spots them through a window or something, but there can't be any interaction between them without messing up those lines.

I understand that concern and I agree with it. At the same time though, I just can't picture him leaving Sunny at their doorstep and leaving. Im also curious as to which other MGS characters will return as we've been told that sevral will. BigBoss1292 02:41, June 23, 2011 (UTC)


I don't think Snake wiil apper in Rising. If you recall, Dr. Naomi said he had 3-6 months to live, and form what I've read on the konami website, It will take place several years after MGS4UnknownSoldier9865 01:25, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Snake

Yeah, yeah, I know that "Raiden's more cooler, less fag now", "Raiden now kicks ass". But so they're runing over the Snakes? I mean, wouldn't you prefer Big Boss, or Solid Snake? Hell, I would even take a game featuring The Boss in WWII. I think they shouldn't let go of em'. Oh, and if you say the Boss isn't a Snake, in the end of MGS3 (spoiler) she says:" there's only room for one snake" implying that they are both snakes. It rattles me that the only game that was made with such precision, that has tranq system, (for the PSP ones) troop manegement, incredibly good AI response system, alert, evasion and caution system, alot of guns (well, at least for the later ones), and they're throwing that ALL away just to make another sword game, I know, I know, its not like the others, but see if I care about that.FartSnakeAndABitOfGreyFox 13:42, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Snake

Yeah, yeah, I know that "Raiden's more cooler, less fag now", "Raiden now kicks ass". But so they're runing over the Snakes? I mean, wouldn't you prefer Big Boss, or Solid Snake? Hell, I would even take a game featuring The Boss in WWII. I think they shouldn't let go of em'. Oh, and if you say the Boss isn't a Snake, in the end of MGS3 (spoiler) she says:" there's only room for one snake" implying that they are both snakes. It rattles me that the only game that was made with such precision, that has tranq system, (for the PSP ones) troop manegement, incredibly good AI response system, alert, evasion and caution system, alot of guns (well, at least for the later ones), and they're throwing that ALL away just to make another sword game, I know, I know, its not like the others, but see if I care about that.

You're absolutely right. Why put Raiden in main characters chair? I would understand, if they make mini-game about story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4, kind of what you download to your PS3 and stuff, but he gets his own game? "Raiden's more cooler"? Yeah right... Original ninja, Frank Jaegar was cool, Raiden is just a weak copy of him. And it's more realistic why Gray Fox was able to deflect bullets with his sword due to exoskeleton. How Raiden was able to deflect bullets in MGS2? No regular man is able to do such fast reflecs to do that. And why they didn't just let Gray Fox to be the only ninja, make him even more legendary? There's only room for one snake and one boss, but there is room for multiple ninjas? I just don't get it. Dr.Ed Argon 13:52, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 ::I don't recall Raiden ever deflecting bullets in Metal Gear Solid 2. In either case, even if Raiden wasn't going to be a Cyborg Ninja, Gray Fox still would have not been the only Cyborg Ninja, seeing how Olga became a Cyborg Ninja. Weedle McHairybug 13:56, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
you both have a point.Raiden is'nt and will never be a cool character ninja or not.He's just another pretty boy like those in teenage movies.BUT, allthough I see the risk of making just another sword/splatter game, I think that we should give mr. Shinkawa a chance.After all, he must be the second most important person in MGS games after the Chief, mr Kojima.And he believes in him for that matter...
Yes, we should, but it give him less advantage if he makes a game totally diferent and that less people will like. I say "Sure! But since there's room for 2 ninjas, why not for 2 games." What I mean by that is that this should not take effect on the series, thus them keeping the original game! This would simply be a mini game. Oh, and BTW since Gray Fox died, Olga was kindof a reincarnation of him, but there's still the underlying subject of how Drebin's voice and way of speaking is extremely alike Grey Fox's, Raiden isn't acceptable. I even tryed to kill him in the REX. They only have leverage by expanding they're console range, because people are not going to accept this well, and some that buyed will not do that for this one. A btw, the snakes just disappeared. That's that? Hah, what happened to the room for 1 snake and 1 boss. WTF?
We all have a good point, so I, the Fart Snake (and a bit of Grey Fox) leave it to you, as this topic is rather critical in the series.FartSnakeAndABitOfGreyFox 13:40, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'm assuming you missed (SPOILER for MGS4) ending in which Big Boss says "the world would be better off without snakes?"
idgaf what Big Boss thinks. Besides, Raiden's original codename was "Snake" in the beginning of MGS2, so he's technically a Snake, even if he has no relation to the originals.

NOT coming to Vita or FOX Engine

Guys, Rising isn't coming to Vita or FOX Engine. Not saying it couldn't, but it hasn't been announced. The no-name blog that posted the information ran a Japanese article through Google Translation or something and got it's wires crossed. Kojima was talking about his new project being on Vita/FOX Engine, NOT RISING.

Re-title

Should change be retitle Metal Gear Rising:Revengeance? 174.5.13.8 03:53, December 11, 2011 (UTC) by Richman

I think the game should be a legit MGS game. Not some garbage hack and slash ninja game. The original trailors looked like a good mix of classic and action but Hideo has really sold out on this one. Not only is the trailer cheesy and over the top but the title is horrid. I thought it was going to be about Sunny and not about vengence on some random ninja. Throwing a metal gear ray? Really?

The game is a legit game. There's nothing wrong with a series branching out and exploring new genres and styles. They never said anything about Sunny, you assumed something, that's your fault not there's. Raiden easily spun to Gekko's and stopped Outer Haven, throwing Ray isn't out of the question. Wait for more information, don't judge a game based on a single trailer. Sign your posts in future.--Soul reaper 04:30, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Enemy

The guy Raiden fights is Vamp Elveonora 08:58, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

No proof--210.56.91.157 09:25, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Vamp is dead. Plus he was never a cyborg. There's no chance he's coming back.--Printul Noptii 13:50, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
The game is after MGS4. Obviously Vamp survived and was turned into a cyber ninja. Just because some one appears to have died in metal gear doesn't mean they're gone. Need I make a list? Like Gray Fox and Big Boss...
Look better, its Vamp.
Unless he had a twin.
Elveonora 03:36, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Looks and sounds nothing like Vamp

New Game, New Page.

Right. Now that we've learned that "Metal Gear Solid: Rising" was cancelled and KojiPro has handed it off to Platinum who have re-titled it "Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance", I think all the information on the original version of the game should be abridged and/or moved to it's own section. All that stuff is irrelevant and just clutters the page now. Thoughts? --Fantomas 14:37, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

​Now I just found this and I don't know if this game will be canon or not? I mean yeah I know it takes place several years after MGS4 but it just doesn't seem right because Raiden getting his cyborg ninja body back after saying that Raiden would live with Rose and Jack idk. Anyways here's what I found. thoughts?

according to the Kojipro official Twitter, "We've only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series. At present, we can't say more than this." --Duo

Fantomas, I agree that Metal Gear Rising and MGS Rising deserve two separate pages. The information we have says that while MGR is built upon the work they did for MGS Rising, they are two different games. As MGS Rising is a cancelled game, it should have it's own page that we can link to when we make mentions of it on MGR's page. Who knows? Maybe they'll wind up making the original game as well some day.
To person above me, a few things. 1) While we don't know for sure if it is canon, it takes place after MGS4 and as such will be treated as canon until Kojima Pro or Platinum states otherwise. 2) Raiden always had a cyborg body, at the end of 4 he had some sort of skin placed over the top but you could still see the cyborg pieces beneath. 3) MGR is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series, hence the name. It is however still part of the Metal Gear series. 4) Sign your posts in future.--Soul reaper 03:00, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 aren't part of the solid series, does that make them non canon? No they are just a different series in the same universe.
Soul reaper, Fantomas has been here since 2005 (the guy you told to sign his posts) He is admin and co-founder of this Wiki. Also you're very aggresive towards people who are saying this isn't canon. Personally, I think you can't accept that this isn't canon.69.108.24.190 03:32, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Don't think im alone on this but until tomorrows trailer and the real "unveiling" on the 13th...I think what we saw was such a fake out...I think they wanted to generate controversy like when Raiden was revealed as the main character of MGS2. C'mon guys..Kojima and the team MUST have known that it would be universally panned by the MGS community. I think everyone at KP and Platinum is in on this massive joke. Theyre pulling our legs, getting us all on our toes, and on alert. I'm not trashing Platinum since they have made some good games...if you like the kind that they predominantly make (those fast paced action oriented games). Now I was never looking forward to Rising like I looked forward to Peace Walker and MGS4...but I was still excited for this game.The graphics were beautiul and the gameplay looked potentially amazing if done right...Hunting Stealth still seems like a grand new style for the series to adopt in addition to the traditional hiding stealth that we all love...but I digress. Look closely at the trailer...it looks thrown together. Not only are the graphics a serious step down from the initial E3 trailer but the gameplay looks choppy, clunky an unfinished...I.E. they threw it together quickly for a planned fake out. Weren't we promised one of the best looking games yet since it was supposedly utilizing the Fox Engine? And all of a sudden instead of being able to slice through anything with ease...Raiden has to chop them up like "an onion on an infommercial" to kill and destroy them. Probably the most disappointng thing for us fans is that it takes place AFTER MGS4 which will completely mess up the cannon. Kojima said that he would let his team and possibly other developers tackle the MGS series but he has stated that he will always step in and correct something if he feels that it isnt quite what Metal Gear is supposed to be. Last but not least...Quinton's voice acting. Though im glad that hes involved...his performance on the trailer seemed unispired and non-serious "Time For Jack To Let 'Er Rip!" ...again alluding to my theory...so take all of that into consideration when we get our true reveal on the 13th
....I am praying that I am right as I'm sure most of you all are as well 96.239.19.254 04:41, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
To the Anon 69.108.24.190. The person I told to sign their post was another anon, not Fantomas. Fantomas' post is signed. I'm not being aggressive either, I'm simply saying that we don't know if it's canon or not and right now, all signs are pointing to it being canon. It doesn't mess anything up, it takes place after MGS4 and, as far as we can see from the trailer, it makes sense in the Universe. --Soul reaper 05:35, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
I was the other anon sorry about that. I'm kind of new when it comes to the talk section of games so I didn't know we had to sign at the end, my bad. Anyways I'm not trying to be aggressive either if thats how I came off. If I did then I apologize cause that was never my intention but I was just curious. Now back to topic. In my opinion I don't think this game should be canon to the main storyline that was developed throughout the metal gear solid series however like the poster above me we won't know till tomorrow but I think that this issue should be addressed soon though. --Duo
They've retconned things horrendously before and they've been considered "canon." Whatever happened to Meryl (or Otacon if you submitted like a pussy or wanted dat stealth) and Snake riding off into the sunset after Campbell said they were "officially dead after their jeep crashed into the ocean"? Meryl shouldn't have been able to get a position with the Army again (unless she was using a fake identity, and that might be true since the Rat Patrol guys never referred to her as anything but "Commander," which is only a rank in the *Navy*, and is a very high *Naval* *commissioned* rank for someone who's only been *enlisted* in the *Army* for the last 9-10 years, but I consider that to just be lame dubbing), and Snake shouldn't have been "celebrated as a hero" if they were both officially dead, but the post-Shadow Moses canon says those things happened. Also, the CID is supposed to investigate sh*t like people "dying" and mysteriously returning to service, which makes the whole thing even more screwed up. That's just one of the retcons. There have been others, like how Big Boss's bio up until MGS3 said he was in GSG9 before joining FOXHOUND, and how they changed the layout of the furnace in MGS4, and how Grey Fox got blown to smithereens by landmines but they "revived" him even though he was DEAD dead, unlike Big Boss who just got the crap burnt out of him, and how Solid Snake used Liquid's body as a decoy to make the Patriots think he was dead, even though Liquid was dead and rotting for two whole years already...Did Snake keep Liquid on ice for 2 years planning this whole thing and then drag his frozen corpse with him to the Discovery? And then Ocelot replaced his arm with Liquid's and Eva used pieces of Liquid to repair Big Boss after he'd been either buried or frozen, then dumped in the ocean for an unknown amount of time?! WTF?! And then there's the other weird sh*t like dinosaurs in Peacewalker, tumbling bullets from an infinite, anachronistic C-Mag, and friggin tropical jungles in southern Russia (which is all mountains, desert steppes, and permafrost)... Also, XM8s, M2HBs, SCAR-Hs as a general-issue weapon, etc. At this point I'm starting to view any "canon" events and "realism" with skepticism these days...
--Anonymoose, 1035 UTC, 4/2/12

Extended trailer

There's an extended trailer on the official site. The only difference is that at the end there's a scene showing Raiden cutting through a box and killing the soldier inside.210.56.88.239 07:21, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


They also extended the RAY fight scene

Vamp-lookalike images.

I took the liberty of adding in the images of that Vamp-lookalike. However, knowing that the character's identity is currently not identified officially, I also made it clear in the gallery heading that he is an unknown character. Hope no one minded. Weedle McHairybug 04:03, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Kojima announces Rising to be noncanon

Watch the vids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5f05KX-z7s&feature=fvst

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.163.190 (talkcontribs)


Infact it isn't canon. Will you change the article?87.7.187.95 00:26, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Where in the videos did they say it was noncanon. I watched all of them and never once heard that said.--210.56.91.195 03:02, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 ::Please provide a quote if one exists. Kojima's Twitter post only comments that Rising isn't part of the Metal Gear Solid series, which we already knew (hence the name change). Until Konami post details on its status in canon the article should be left as is. Also, remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~). --Bluerock 12:41, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
Kojima said:
"We’ve only said that the period setting is several years after MGS4. Metal Gear Rising is not part of the Metal Gear Solid series. At present, we can’t say more than this. - Kojima"
and Platinum games has confirmed it's not part of the series.
On top is completely different from a MGS game and there is no Kojima working on it.
What kind of further confirm do you need?
87.16.216.29 14:36, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake are also not part of the "Metal Gear Solid series," but that doesn't make them non-canon. Nothing was said regarding whether or not the game is a canon part of the timeline or if it's an alternate spinoff timeline. FF-Suzaku 05:01, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
This is a mere technicality; MG and MG2 are a completely different situation. A game external to MGSseries made now would be something like MGAc!d or MGMobile.
They obviously mean Rising is a sort of "What if" in an hypothetical future after MGS4; as you can see it's something completely different by MG and MGS philosophy until now.
Starting by the Ray who's only a "cool" mecha and by the fact there is still war after FOXALIVE (-.-')
Now, I'm not saying is 100% non-canon and I'm absolutely right... I'm just saying that relying on the elements we have it's a little bit more probable Rising is non-canon.
So it should be in the non-canon area waiting for confirmation/denial... not being in the canon area, it just creates confusion among the fans.87.11.231.46 21:02, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
It's like the old Metal Gear series and the Metal Gear Solid series,at least one charcter from one series is in the other,Metal Gear - Solid Snake - Metal Gear Solid,that's like Metal Gear Solid - Raiden - Metal Gear Rising! MGR is canon! DWikiaMGS 20:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
I think at the end of the day, if people want to take it as canon, they will, if they don't want to they don't have to. It's a different case than something like Metal Gear Ac!d, which makes very clear that it's set in an alternate timeline, but Rising features the same main character as MGS2, and makes it clear that it's the same character. They've made very clear that it's set after MGS4, even in the quote above Kojima says that, which complicates things. Those are my thoughts, but as a wiki we need to present this information in as much of an unbiased view point as possible. --Fantomas 21:28, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


What DwikiaMGS said makes no sense, but I'm not even sure if I understood what he means...
@Fantomas
I think it's simply a case of lack of informations. It will be revelead for sure if this game is canonical or not.
I complained because if the wiki has to be objective the game should be considered non-canon until proven otherwise.
Why? Well... I know there are not clear evidences this far, but if it is an alternative timeline it would explain the differences in style and characterization which are the opposite compared to MGS series;
moreover there are these two tweets from Kojima: [[5]] [[6]] .
I think it's enough to say there is a reasonable doubt, imho with more chances for it to be non-canon.
87.11.224.157 16:31, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
What you're doing is called original research, as you said, it's also your opinion, which is irrelevant to the wiki. We report things objectively. Style has nothing to do with canon status. Until they say a game is non-canon, we report it as being canon. They've said it takes place after MGS4, it has a protagonist from the main games. Currently it has not been stated as non-canon and therefore we treat it as canon. Innocent until proven guilty.--210.56.86.82 02:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
I mean almost the same thing, but: Innocent (non-canon) until proven guilty (canon). Because those two tweets, the article posted earlier and what Kojima says in that documentary, bring people to think this game is non-canon, not the opposite.It's not only a matter of style, all the things we saw in the trailer are incompatible to MGS ending unless it's a different plot or they made some changes. I know it can seem I'm acting cocky (it's not my intention), but I think I'm not saying anything irrational or unprovable. 87.7.215.14 14:52, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
Unless they explicitly say "this game is/is not canon" then there is nothing to go by, for example, Kojima said, in reference to Portable Ops, that it's not a main chapter in the series, but it still happened, which caused alot of people to debate whether or not the game is canon with no evidence to support it not being canon, the same thing can be said here, without a statement that explicitly says "Rising is not canon" in those exact words, the game is canon.Kornflakes89 07:36, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Zan-Datsu is not dead!New screenshots from famitsu article and more!

Some people managed to get a few scans from the famitsu article everyone heard about and th screenshots show more then any words could.

Whole page

http://www.metalgearsolid.be/deux-nouvelles-images-pour-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-701.html

Individual pictures

http://www.metalgearsolid.be/famitsu-quelques-infos-sur-mgr-revengeance-702.html

Yes it is still there :).Cross-SAMA 12:21, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Metal Gear Rising's ARG

Anyone else think all the stuff about MGRising's Decryption site (and the stuff about Senator Armstrong and waronourshores.com) could be moved to it's own page? Like a "Metal Gear Rising ARG" or something? I think it'll free up this page a bit more and not make it so long. --Fantomas 11:42, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Seems to work. BTW, what's an ARG? Weedle McHairybug 12:13, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
ARG stands for Alternate Reality Game. Rising's isn't as broad as some are, but I think it still counts as one. --Fantomas 19:09, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I moved the portion over, as you requested. We might have to do a rewrite in the future, though, as it is literally a cut and paste job outside of the notes and references section. Weedle McHairybug 21:23, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Rising spin-off

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2012/06/20/surprise-metal-gear-solid-5-mentioned-not-finished-with-solid-snake/

"Kojima goes on to defend the direction taken in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance by saying that it was never intended to be a “Solid” game, simply a spin off."

...just another confirm.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.10.211.185 (talkcontribs)

He never said it was non-canon, though. And just because its not a "Solid" game doesn't mean it isn't canon. Look at the MSX2 games, those weren't "Solid" games. Weedle McHairybug 23:54, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

People keep confusing "spin-off" with "non-canon." Portable Ops was also a spinoff, but it is still considered canon (though unlike Rising, it actually has "Solid" in the title). Don't forget to sign comments with four tildes (~). --Bluerock 07:37, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
The first two MG were a completely different situation. I already explained above these posts.
I know what spin-off mean, but this is not the first time Kojima implies these things about Rising...87.6.237.225 00:05, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
I think the same!
Another comment:
At 22:50 of this video Kojima talks about an eventual Rising sequel.
He says he doesn't like spin-off but it's good to make another one if it likes to the players. Then Kojima says he'd like to make a MGS prequel with Big Boss and "that won't be a spin-off".
Talking like that is just like impling Rising it's not like a normal MGS sequel, but it is something less.
He is probably referring mostly to the gameplay, but if we add the fact they changed the setting (from the original Rising) just to make Platinum Games happy, the change of the title and the fact there is no Kojima writing the plot....
It's obvious this game is non-canon. It's not a proper MGS, even worst: it's not an MG at all.87.17.230.112 19:27, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
It's Metal Gear. It says Metal Gear in the title. It has Metal Gears in the game. As for it being canon. Kojima has wanted canon titles to be made without him for a long time now so his lack of involvement is irrelevant. It is a spin-off due to the different style of the game, but that doesn't mean it's non-canon. Halo Wars is a spin-off of Halo, it's canon. Knights of the Old Republic is a spin-off of Star Wars, it's canon. The Legend of Korra is a spin-off of Avatar: The Last Airbender, it's canon. Kojima saying that the game is a spin-off means the game is a spin-off. Nothing that's been said by any actual sources even suggests that the game is non-canon.--210.56.86.172 07:34, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know. It's such an insult to the fantastic and perfect epilogue to the series that I can't tolerate a sequel is made not by Kojima but from people who couldn't care lesst to the plot.
I bet that an iphotetical MGS5 sequel by Kojima will erase everything said in this episode. There are a lot of quote from KP in the discussions above this one that makes you think they are not considering this as a canon one.
The fact they erased the "SOLID" makes me hope for the best....
I mean it's the videogame saga which cares more about the story, it has an outstanding plot... and the forced sequel after a complete ending is an action spin-off with a Bayonetta like kind of plot?!?
Can't be real, it's nonsense. I refuse this.87.10.3.239 22:37, September 18, 2012 (UTC)
Why would they pay so much details to the plot? it has everything a canon sequel would have and explains the aftermath of the patriots downfall. Plus raiden has to take care of his family. Its most likely canon And im ok with you thinking its not canon as long as you dont change the article to reflect your views 74.244.225.180 00:28, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
I never touched the article if that's what you're implying.
Anyway if you say that it means you understood nothing of this epic saga. The ending is absolutely complete but is someone can give a sequel to such a masterpiece that's only Kojima.
You can't give a CANON sequel in the hand of Platinum Games. It's like Disney Channell makes a sequel of... I don't know... Asimov's Foundation saga.... even worst in the form of a cartoon.
A canon action sequel with a small plot and Bayonetta style... it is nothing like the epicness and DEPTH of the Solid saga. Unbeliaveble...
I can understand you say it's canon until the point Kojima Production says the opposite (it's a spin-off; they can easily say that in the future), but you can't say it's fair or well done. You can't really mean it...
However let me say among the world many websites, magazines or fansites consider it to be non-canon. Just to say it's not just me.
79.2.231.243 19:35, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

"White" Raiden

Due to Kojima posting on his twitter of the new Play Arts KAI figure of "White" Raiden, I'm guessing this tells us there's a unlockable alt. costume in the game, or has the game have like some sort of camouflage function?


Didnt they confirm that in story Raiden will change suits? sonicforever1 a littlebig guy 21:16, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Canon?

i'm confused, is Rising canon or not?


This wiki goes with absolute straight to the point declarations so they can't put it's not-canon, but it obviously isn't. Aside from not being a "solid" by Kojima etc there are a lot of valid points reported on this topic too, but the answer has always been "It was not an undisputable statement".

Of course Kojima for marketing reasons can't say that shit is not-canon but it could with time, just like after years he professed his hate for the NES version of MG; he is even leaving Konami so let's see. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.149.248.178 (talkcontribs)

You DO realize that, technically, that would make the MSX2 games non-canon as well, right, since they're not "solid" games even if they ARE made by Kojima, right? Besides, Kojima Productions made it VERY clear that the game is indeed canon. Generally, it's easy to see whether KP games are canon or not by whether they get rereleases of any kind after their debut. Namely, Ghost Babel, Snake's Revenge, the Ac!d games, the NES Metal Gear game, and the like have NEVER gotten rereleases at all, not even digital rereleases. Even Portable Ops, which has yet to be included in a systems console or a collection despite being considered a canonical release by even Kojima, at least managed to get a rerelease digitally via the PSVita. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
Having a re-release has no relation to canon status at all. Whether it's "Kojima canon" or not, Revengeance is it's own thing, separate from the main series. --Bluerock (talk) 20:22, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
Odd, I know Ghost Babel, the NES version of Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge, the Ac!d games, the Twin Snakes, even Mobile never got any rereleases, not even digital ones (probably the closest one of them ever got to a rerelease at all was the NES version when it was bundled with The Twin Snakes in Japan), and Ghost Babel's lack of even a digital rerelease was despite it being a popularly requested one. It doesn't make sense for them to NOT rerelease them canon or not, especially not by a money revenue standpoint. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:32, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

It's canon

Just poitning out this has been confirmed as canon by multiple people, ask Kojima now and he would say that it is canon

Many believe it to be canon. Hideo Kojima announced in his own words that Snake has died and Rising takes place in the distant future after Metal Gear Solid 4, however, it is NOT a Metal Gear "Solid" game. Rising is basically a new set of games. Similar to the Acid games. Solid-Boss (talk) 05:24, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

If it's similar to Ac!d then it's a different universe -.- Anyway finally the wiki admins decided it's not canon, but Id' like to know what made them take the right decision after three years 37.117.217.246 14:41, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Kojima Productions explicitly stated it WAS canon, so it stays that way. And besides, need I remind you that the MSX2 games aren't "Solid" games either and yet those ARE canon (although just barely, thanks to Kojima constantly retconning things from those games since the first Solid game). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:50, December 20, 2015 (UTC
Can you can the condescending "need I remind you" remarks? Anyway, Rising doesn't contradict other games so I see no reason why it's not canon. 173.65.70.34 16:18, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
<    I did not put in the Solid question so I don't know where are you coming from. Anyway cutting out the "Solid" part is a new distinction that started with the Ac!d to differentiate from the spin-offs, IT CAN'T BE APPLIED to the first two. Atm MG and MG2 in the same situation of Portable Ops: confirmed in many aspects by other chapters but also not completely canon because of all the retcons etc.G
RISING intead is not child of Kojima, it has nothing to do with the original saga. It's nothing more than a fanmade sequel or a MGS inspired Vanquish. There are no reason for it to BE canon.
It doesn't contradict just because it's a sequel (well except for shitting on MGS4 ending of course) but that's not how canonicity works: there is also a phone game of MGS which doesn't contradict the plot but it's not canon either, there is a fanmade movie made in Italy which perfectly fits between MGS1 and 2 but it's not canon either... They are not made by Kojima and they are not true MGS, same reason for Rising.
Rising also is a lesser game and it's an offence to the saga, but that's the least of it.
It's idiotic to think it's canon but I'm satisfied that the wiki finally put it among the spin-offs at least, so I'm fine.
P.S.: KP and Kojima were contractually obligated to defend the game in order not to damage the selling do you realize that? Also there are all the articles linked above, there is not express statement of canonicity, just very vaguely affirming it's a spin-off, not the real saga but a new take on it etc. Just read it it's all above.
Also things may change now that Kojima is no more tied to Konami, it took 20 years to him to disown "Snake's Revenge", I'm just waiting for when he will do that with Rising. I mean he has basically already done that in the extra ops in Ground Zeroes where he  clearly divide canon from not canon, putting Rising in the second group with the likes of MGS touch, mobile, Ac!D, Snake's Revenge etc.
And most importantly the declaration posted down here from another user:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/04/kojima-says-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-is-the-last-metal-gear-solid

"I always say 'this will be my last Metal Gear,'" Kojima said, "but the games in the series that I've personally designed and produced -- Metal Gear on MSX, MG2, MGS1, 2, 3, 4, Peace Walker, and now MGSV -- are what constitute a single 'Metal Gear Saga.' With MGSV, I'm finally closing the loop on that saga."

>Metal Gear on MSX, MG2, MGS1, 2, 3, 4, Peace Walker, and now MGSV>

This could have been an argument in 2012, but now it's just crazy to keep defending its canonicity -.- Also I can't imagine fans wanting to do something so bad to their saga. It's a good thing it's not canon, you should all rejoice if you care about this masterpiece. 37.117.217.246 17:23, December 20, 2015 (UTC)


Okay, first of all, that just means the games he directly worked on. It has absolutely no bearing on whether it's canon (heck, Mega Man X6 wasn't even made by the Mega Man creator, yet THAT was completely canon to such an extent that he even rewrote Mega Man Zero specifically to take that game into account). Second of all, Metal Gear Solid 4's ending already foreshadowed Rising anyway. Remember Drebin's little drunken rant? Yeah. Not a good end (and quite frankly, I'm disgusted with what Sunny did because it just made another Outer Heaven and Patriots situation inevitable). Third of all, Kojima Productions explicitly stated it was canon, and considering they disowned Metal Gear: Ghost Babel immediately following it's release, and the Ac!d games as well, please don't give me the whole "they didn't want to damage its sales" excuse. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:48, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
No excuses here and of course it's different considering that those were minor investments on secondary consoles -.- Also, again, no clear statements, all the articles are linked above, not that it matters anymore considering the most recent ones.
'Let me make this clear.... 'This is not MegaMan, nor Star wars, nor Marvel, there is no four hands or more creators in MGS, that's a thing Kojima made clear plenty of times especially when explaining what "A Hideo Kojima Game" means (http://kotaku.com/5646747/metal-gear-creator-explains-a-hideo-kojima-game )
In this interview (https://youtu.be/ufKS1gdnIGU?t=45m30s ) he arrives to the point of disowning a great part of Portable Ops, (43:43) because he was only the producer there and didn't supervise every single aspect. More importantly at 45:30 he once again states that if a MGS is "A Hideo Kojima Game" is the most important indicator wether a game is part of his creations or not.
What a fan simply knows is that the MGS exist only because they are children of their single creator, there are all the aspect of Hideo Kojima's personality inside and the care is mental to the tiniest thing. I can't explain it much better than that, I undestrand that the industry got us used to many creators contributing to the same brand, but Kojima made something different. I think that the whole discussion is if a fan understand that or not.
It's the same reason behind the fact that the new MGS by Konami will never be canon in any case, simply because it's impossible for them to be it.
If you can't understand this it's pointless to keep going, you are simply following the wrong acception of "canon" for some reason.
No Kojima = No MGS and it's not a thing fans invented; it's a thing he stated plenty of times and the facts have proven true. Just play MGS to realize that. I can't stress this point enough.37.117.217.246 19:45, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Apparently, you've forgotten that Kojima Productions itself confirmed Metal Gear Rising as canon, and that Kojima Productions does NOT just have Hideo Kojima in it. And besides, if it was referenced in more than one game via plot, it is by definition canon, even if Kojima didn't work on it. And for the record, Konami's going to be working on a new Metal Gear game, so it's not even going to matter anyways. Heck, he's not even sure if MGSV itself is canon anyway, especially when he denied it being MGS5 and has even implied regret that it's not complete in a few of its tweets. And quite frankly, considering that Kojima basically retcons the heck out of every single game he made, by definition, that means there IS no canon anyhow, since canonicity requires a sense of continuity, something that cannot exist with his obsessive retconning of any entry in the series (especially the MSX2 games, which he DID create). The guy you're dealing with is just a narcissist. And BTW, Kornflakes89 would point out that he needs to explicitly state non-canonicity in order for it to be non-canon. Not just he didn't work on it, but use the exact words of "non-canon." Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:02, December 20, 2015 (UTC)


The creator decides what is canon and what not that's the golden rule. His way to decide what canon and what not is by putting "A Hideo Kojima Game" on it, even Portable Ops fell to this and it was a nigh perfect emulation of his style. If MPO fell there is nothing defending Rising which is a completely different genre, a mediocre action game with a c-movie plot, written by others and has nothing in common with MGS except for the design. Who even cares about K. Productions, they are just there to execute orders, they weren't even able to finish the canonical Rising, the original project, on their own without Kojima guidance (he refused to work on that because it was an imposition from Konami). Do you remember the 30 minute video where they apologize and explain the passage to Platinum? They are pathetic and useless without their boss.
Anyway the declaration on Revengeance had always been very vague since 2012 and mostly made by Kojima himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5f05KX-z7s&feature=fvst

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2012/06/20/surprise-metal-gear-solid-5-mentioned-not-finished-with-solid-snake/"Kojima goes on to defend the direction taken in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance by saying that it was never intended to be a “Solid” game, simply a spin off."

-n The whole thing of taking out the "Solid" was also to cover their asses with the fans and leave the thing ambiguos, if it was canon they would have not be scared to left it.

 What game makes reference to Rising? You meant PO maybe, in fact PO is not canon only in certain aspect of which he didn't write the plot according to what he states. It's a weird situation, I'm playing it right now trying to understand what is not canon andd I'm realizing how simple and childish is compared to the others in many parts.

Konami is going to work to other not-canonical pale copies of Metal Gear that not real fan would ever consider. So what? I already explained it doesn't work like Star Wars.

MGS has a perfect sense of continuity, everything is perfectly calibrated except of course for the first MG and MG2. That can't be an argument, come one! Those are games made in another era, a simpler one and when there were no plans to make a huge saga out of it. Kojima himself said they are canon just in the main points, but they need a remake to fix the details, that's only logical. And even if he is not satisfied with MGSV (another MGS that Konami imposed him to make) he did his bestin that one and all his declarations are of canonicity for it.

Who is kornflakes? One of the admins? Yes they told me that plenty of times but apparently the last declarations of Kojima and the Konami's timeline were enough for them to move MPO and Rising out of the canon section in the spin-off one. Because even if you are in complete denial and you don't understand what makes a Metal Gear Kojima did much more that disowning the game:

1. He said that they only counts if there is " A Hideo Kohima Game" on it in that interview

2. He listed the 8 titles (considering GZ as a prologue of TPP) he considers part of the saga in the interview of a few days ago. The same way as they are reported on the official timeline on Konami website: http://www.konami.jp/mgs5/tpp/jp/history/index.php5

3. In the easter egg mission in GZ, which I hope you played or saw on youtube, speaking through the voice of Kaz, he definitely divides the chapters of the saga from the not canon spin offs. Rising is put with the likes of Ac!d, Snake's Revenge, Touch, Mobile and Ghost Babel.

I don't even know what are you even on about, these are the facts, Rising plot has no more value that if I wrote it myself.37.117.217.246 22:55, December 20, 2015 (UTC)


First of all, Hideo Kojima never voiced Kaz at all. In fact, the only character he actually spoke through the voice of was himself. Second of all, the MSX2 games were neither Solid games nor were they even labeled "A Hideo Kojima Game" at all, yet they were obviously canonical. Third of all, being a spinoff =/= non-canonicity. I can cite plenty of examples of games that were spinoffs yet were obviously canonical, like Survior, Dead Aim, Outbreak, Code:Veronica, and 3: Nemesis for Resident Evil, or Metroid Prime: Hunters for Metroid (heck, the Prime series as a whole for Metroid, in fact), the Xtreme series for Mega Man, etc., etc. If he wanted it to be non-canonical, he'd need to make it explicit, like use the exact words "non-canon", not just spinoff, as there have been plenty of games that have had canon spinoffs. I might as well remind you that technically, MGSV isn't even a Hideo Kojima game. I don't see it on the box art, do you? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:27, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
True, but he co-wrote, produced and directed the game. Saying MGSV is non-canon is retarded. -173.65.70.34 23:37, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, and so is claiming something's a non-canon game just because it doesn't have "A Hideo Kojima Game" marked, regardless of whether that's what Kojima himself said constitutes a main game (and he only said it constituted as a main game if it had that label, NOT canonicity, as there have been plenty of games that were spinoffs yet were canonical, and I even cited several examples). After all, if we are to use that as a reason to list a game as non-canon, that would invalidate three of the Core 8 from canonicity as well (the two MSX2 games, plus The Phantom Pain). 24.30.38.207 23:45, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
The above comment was made by me, BTW. It logged me out. Someone should get Wikia's coding looked at, because this is the second day that the site had "premature log-outs." Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:47, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
"Speaking with his voice" is a figure of speech, man -.- It's english. Kojima wrote the scripts and Kaz is breaking the fourth wall giving us Kojima's own point of view on the matter.
Stop bringing up MG and MG2 they have nothing to do with the modern situation of the saga. Btw they were even partially coded by him; though their plot suffers of its semplicity and of the retcons, but it was 1987 and there was no plan to make a saga out of it. It's a completely different matter and their canonicity is limited for that reason.
The name is not on the box because Konami is a petty childish company: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/hideo-kojimas-name-removed-metal-gear-solid-v-box-art/ Do you even read the news? It was kinda of a big thing when they were splitting.
This is not your average series, there are not canon spin-off in MGS, he used the term "not-canon" for MPO in that interview with the motivation that he only wrote part of the story and only that counts. For transitive property what does this make of all the rest? Trash. MGS is his child, MGS=Kojima. Moreover Rising doesn't even try to emulate the style, not that it will fix it, but it's a different game with just inspired design. It's like Ac!d fair and square.37.117.217.246 10:54, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
Actually Kojima didn't write Portable Ops. A novelist from Japan did. --173.65.70.34 14:00, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
No, he does not use that term at all in that interview (and Fantomas, a mod on this site, would agree with me, as he's seen that interview and made that clear when dealing with a similar person who argued this, Doulomb). And it's not like Ac!d at all either. Ac!d is a card game, and doesn't even ATTEMPT to connect with the series (case in point, the first Ac!d game has Solid Snake still being young in 2016 despite the fact that he was suffering from Werner's disease as early as MGS2), while Rising DOES try to connect to the series, even referencing events from MGS2 and MGS4 explicitly (just listen to the radio calls in that game). It even gave a nod to The Boss's time at space as well. And I did read about Konami's involvement in that, actually. However, we're going by exact words, and if it doesn't list "A Hideo Kojima Game" exactly, then it doesn't have it and thus by your definition can NOT count. Doesn't matter the reasons. Also, Metal Gear 2 was actually made in 1990, and for the record, there were little to no plans for continuing the saga in MG2, MGS, MGS2, MGS3, or MGS4 (in fact, the only time it was even definitively planned that they continue the saga was with Peace Walker), so don't play the "they didn't plan to have a saga" card on this. And the only reason Rising dropped the Solid title and got Platinum Games involvement was because they had trouble during development of the game. One last thing, considering Kojima was the type to actively bash the NES version of Metal Gear, if he wanted either Portable Ops or Rising to be non-canon, he would have openly insulted the games. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:08, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
  • Are we talking of the same interview? https://youtu.be/ufKS1gdnIGU?t=43m50sBecause the question from the interviewer is very clear "Is MPO canon?" and the answer (at least the translation) is that the main plot can be considered part of the timeline while some details (what in particular nobody knows) are outside of the saga because he was producer and only supervised the main parts of the plot. Now I don't know if you guys work like Google that search for the exact words, but even Google accepts synonims; and most of all it was an answer to a direct question of canonicity. Wanting more than this as proof is basically denial.
  • Even Metal Gear Mobile has a nice the plot and also has a cool not contradictory ending in which it makes you understand you were Raiden going through his virtual trainings in the shoes of Solid Snake. And MGS Philantrophy is a fanmade movie oustandingly well made which takes place between 2005 and 2007, but this does not make them canon.
  • Moreover they dropped the Solid because of the change in the project. It was no more Metal Gear Solid: Rising, but Metal Gear Rising Revengeance underlining its nature of spin-off even more. It was not a definitive proof of not canonicity, I get it, but it helped many fans digest the thing. (Covering their butt too).
  • MG and MG2 had a simple plot, in a simpler time, for a simpler videogame industry, everything changed when the saga became "Solid", that's a fact. When the games became increasingly more complex in the plot and the prequels started to come out which chapters do you think were destined to become the weak links of the chain?? So no hate for the original chapters, but there was no saving them. Anyway their simple plot saves them because they didn't reveal much of the past of their characters so they left space for retcons. There are still mistakes, but not so many.
Snake's revenge is the worst ever and anyway it took him many many years to bash it so I guess we'll see.
Anyway this discussion has been going on for too long, I'm already satisfied with seeing it among the spin-offs since in 2012 it was considered a full legitimate chapter by some. With Kojima leaving Konami I'm expecting more declarations, even if he has already made plenty of those. Moreover I saw lots of news of gamers and people from the industry taking his side in the matter and acknowledging that a MGS without Kojima cannot exist. And if they affirm it for the future MG made in Konami it's only a matter of time before Rising follows and falls into the abyss.

37.117.217.246 15:04, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

And even with Snake's Revenge, he only gave one insult. And even after that, he was still singing praises about it as a Nintendo Power issue proved, certainly he had far higher regard for it than the NES version of Metal Gear, which he never even attempted to hide his disgust for it. Also, use common sense, each time he enters a new Metal Gear game, Peace Walker exempted, he ALWAYS claims it will be the last Metal Gear he'll ever work on. By definition, that would naturally REQUIRE others to take over in his place and thus NOT have him work on any future installments. And of the times he claimed he would leave yet broke his promise EVERY time (and even with MGSV, the only reason he actually KEPT his promise that time is because Konami essentially fired him), only two of those times did he have an ACTUAL justifiable excuse for coming back to work on the next one: The first, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, was because his team personally requested he make an actual sequel after Snake's Revenge was made; the second, Metal Gear Solid 4, he was forced to come back because Konami got death threats from certain fans if they didn't have Hideo Kojima work on it, and he even HAD a director in place for it to ensure he didn't come back. And the Metal Gear MSX2 games DID have a story. Even this wiki noted that the first entry was actually among the first video games to have an actual in-game story, as most others just had the manual tell the story, and even Kojima and Nojima confirmed as much. And MG2 even went further than that. And I'll point to the thread where Fantomas confirmed it: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:48120 Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:33, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
Actually the mobile game's ending revealed that Snake was kidnapped by the Patriots to undergo VR testing. The game hasn't been acknowledged anywhere else in the series.--173.65.70.34 16:06, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
In all fairness, even if it were canon, which it probably isn't, the mobile game does have an excuse for it not having any plot acknowledgements: The Patriots wiped Snake's memory of the events that went on. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:17, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
The real Otacon's memory wasn't. And the game isn't mentioned in the database unlike Portable Ops. --173.65.70.34 16:38, December 21, 2015 (UTC
Wait there is a bit of confusion here: Snake's Revenge IS the NES remake which he hates. The second chapter of the saga is MG2 Solid Snake which I don't recall him ever talking bad of.
I didn't say MG and MG2 don't have a story, I said it's simplicistic and minimal compared to the modern ones and with the evolution of the saga it was inevitable for them to be hit by retcons and stuff.
It's true he tried to give MGS to others because he didn't want to become slave of his work, but in the end he did become just that.
I took care of the news section of a MG community so I've been following the situation. He tried to give the saga to others plenty of times but for the reasons you listed and for his personal desire too he was always back on it. When he was finally able to convince his studio to work without him on Rising they were unable to make it (pathetic) and had to resort on Platinum Games turning it into Revenceance staged into the future. The only time someone completed an actual MGS with him being only producer it was MPO which he is now partially disowning.
Then we arrive to MGSV, the last work Konami imposed him to make... he did his job as amazingly as ever and then, for some unknown reasons, he was finally able to leave Konami.
Now he can finally make new stuff, but what situation did he left behind with the saga? That in the end he was unable to actually leave the saga in someone's else hand and the only true MG are the 8 he made: strictly connected, written by him, always experimenting in the gameplay but always faithful to their fixed characteristics.
Then while the tie with Konami was getting thinner, in march, he made his statement (for the second time after GZ): he listed the games and said "[those] are what constitute a single 'Metal Gear Saga.' With MGSV, I'm finally closing the loop on that saga."
You would have been right, but in the end he did became slave to his work, which it's also a good thing because it couldn't have been better. And now that he is free what protects the saga is his statement that the loop is closed. Done.
MGSV guidebook by Kojima Production: http://i2.endoftheinter.net/i/n/d4e82ed2e88db6a9768bd4998fa85349/unnamed.jpg It even stops at 2014. Rising can be considered a distopic, over the top, cartoony alternative future at best.
37.117.217.246 18:04, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
To address your point, no, Snake's Revenge is NOT the NES remake he despises, it's the sequel to that remake. I'm talking about this game, the port for the MSX2 version of Metal Gear. That's the game he went out of his way to mercilessly insult constantly and make no attempt at hiding that game, not offer ANY good things to say about it despite it ultimately being the reason there was even more than one game, let alone a saga.
And again, the first game may have been fairly simplistic, but Metal Gear 2 was NOT simplistic at all. In fact, Metal Gear Solid even reuses much of the same narrative techniques.
Not to mention he actually attempted to let Peace Walker be made by a separate team. And BTW, I might as well point out that MGSV did a HORRIBLE job, it didn't even connect to the story at all. In fact, many times, it just went out of its way to contradict it (like for example: Venom Snake's mere existence rendered Les Enfants Terribles pointless, not to mention the S3 Plan was rendered pointless as well. Plus, since EVA, Ocelot, and Big Boss knew about Zero being innocent of the actions from that game onward, they literally don't have a point on rebelling against the Patriots at all, especially not with the motives EVA, Ocelot, and Big Boss gave to Solid Snake while DYING, and if anything it made them look extremely bad by lying to his face, and even breaking the moral that Snake essentially died a free man, just made him look even MORE of a tool than before). Not to mention the game was utterly incomplete in several areas (revisits to Camp Omega and building our own Mother Base, my foot, and don't get me started on how the cut the Kingdom of the Flies mission so haphazardly it literally left a story thread hanging), and other than a few occasional elements, they don't even have the AI adapt at all to your techniques. Heck, you don't even get to defend your Mother Base despite what was promised. And Skull Face's plan was the most moronic plan I have ever seen, and what's worse, thanks to the silent protagonist approach, Venom Snake seems to not even care about his plan and just looks anywhere BUT in Skull Face's direction. Honestly, I would have taken EVEN a game made without Kojima as long as it at least had a good story, and this frankly didn't. Heck, the Venom Snake twist served absolutely NO purpose whatsoever at all beyond reusing the Raiden Twist (which unlike for MGSV and Venom, the MGS2 Raiden Twist actually DID serve the game's narrative about memes and post-modernism, while Venom Snake's twist was just for the sake of a twist and possibly a final song to Nietzsche.), especially when Metal Gear already made clear that Big Boss survived the confrontation, and he even acknowledged that Snake defeated him before in MGS4.
On a last note, he said "a single Metal Gear Saga", not "the single Metal Gear Saga", a just means one in many, while "the" means the one and ONLY. And BTW, he constantly broke his promises, and there was even a Tweet that implied that he was considering a sequel when he made Solidus Snake (remember, the post-credits call mentioned Solidus in Metal Gear Solid), so it's not even clear if he was ever sincere in his statements. And if you paid attention to MGS4's ending, ESPECIALLY Drebin's speech to Otacon, it WOULD have resulted in a dystopic, over the top, cartoony future anyways. Heck, Drebin even implied that, assuming that the world doesn't restart war as a result, the UN would basically become the Patriots successors. I'm not kidding, I'll even post the dialogue for you if you wish.
Also, the timeline barely even MENTIONS Solidus, not to mention they get a LOT of dates wrong on there (like implying that Para-Medic died during the Shadow Moses Incident when, if anything, she died two years before).Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:05, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
Geez, give this shit a rest already! This has nothing to do with making changes to the article. Next one to post opinionated bullshit will be blocked. --Bluerock (talk) 20:34, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Just a thought.....

Haven't you noticed that the first 3 members of the Desperado Enforcement ( Samuel Rodriguez, Sundowner and Mistral ) look almost exactly like the members of Dead Cell? Samuel looks like Vamp,Mistral looks a bit like Fortune and Sundowner looks like Fatman. o0k3r (talk) 20:18, November, 2012(PKT)

Vamp, Fortune and Fatman... The frist terrorists Jack took on under the codename "Raiden." Interesting... Solid-Boss (talk) 05:21, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Character design info

http://www.examiner.com/article/metal-gear-rising-revengeance-almost-didn-t-look-like-metal-gear

lighting

LINK?

According to the section labeled "Theme", it says "... Previous themes were "GENE" (Metal Gear Solid), "MEME" (Metal Gear Solid 2), "SCENE" (Metal Gear Solid 3), "LINK" (Portable Ops), "SENSE" (Metal Gear Solid 4), and "PEACE" (Peace Walker)."


Where are we getting LINK from for Portable Ops? 166.137.101.152 23:52, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

The LINK most likely stems from the fact that Portable ops is the first Metal Gear game to incorporate online play, that's how the 'LINK' comes into play, as you can link up with other PSP's for the online. 120.144.70.128 10:34, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Cutscenes

Will the cutscenes be pre-rendered or made with the in-game engine, because I'd really like to see Raiden as Gray Fox in the cutscenes. 121.214.14.16 22:52, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

They won't. I can confirm that from the Senator Armstrong boss battle videos, where, in gameplay, Raiden is wearing the Mariachi outfit, yet in the cutscenes, he's using the standard cyborg body model. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:56, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
Could you give me a link to the Senator Armstrong boss battles? 121.214.14.16 01:11, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, but be warned, as they are massive spoilers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPJOlhO1Go&feature=youtu.be Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:14, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Okay

This game now sets the record of 'Most trailers for a video game'. There are like 50 of them! 121.214.14.16 23:36, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Media

The amount of media on this page is getting a little silly, some of it could probably do with being shuffled off to more relevant articles (eg the cyborg pics to the cyborg article) or maybe moving to a sub-page. Evil Tim (talk) 13:56, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. We could do something similar to the Shadow Moses Island/Gallery page. --Bluerock (talk) 20:09, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Donating Cyborg Ninja code!

I've got a promotional code for this game that only works with American PSN accounts. It's for the Gray Fox Cyborg Ninja skin and the FOX Blade. Here you go, lucky guy who enters this first. H767-B8NB-Q4AK CyborgROX (talk) 16:29, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Metal Gear Solid: Rising split

Shouldn't the canceled "MGS Rising" version have its own page as well? It's pretty much treated as a separate project by both, Kojima Productions and the PlatinumGames staff who worked on Revengeance and there's already a page for "Naked Sample" 3DS tech demo, which isn't even substantially different from the final game. Arkhound (talk) 06:09, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Don't see any reason not to, anyway. I also hope we get a deal similar to that of the Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 so we'd find out just what was meant to be in the game. After all, the game's script and boss concepts were actually finalized before the project was shelved and redone into MGRR. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:21, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Original Rising plot details

Somebody edited the original MGS: Rising page (as in the cancelled project, not the Revengeance one) and they've put the entire plot for Revengeance in there. That seems wrong to me, if the page is meant to detail the original Rising game before it was cancelled, it shouldn't include the plot to Revengeance. Right? - Misterbunnsy (talk) 01:27, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Weedle reverted it. Thanks, bud. - Misterbunnsy (talk) 04:30, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

PC version release date?

In Release Date(s) section there is a Microsoft Windows version release date. December 13, 2013. I googled it really hard but couldn't find any confirmation of that.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/04/kojima-says-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-is-the-last-metal-gear-solid

"I always say 'this will be my last Metal Gear,'" Kojima said, "but the games in the series that I've personally designed and produced -- Metal Gear on MSX, MG2, MGS1, 2, 3, 4, Peace Walker, and now MGSV -- are what constitute a single 'Metal Gear Saga.' With MGSV, I'm finally closing the loop on that saga."

>Metal Gear on MSX, MG2, MGS1, 2, 3, 4, Peace Walker, and now MGSV

This is it, PO and Rising are not canon. It's official.
46.48.157.200 20:22, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Not exactly, at least regarding Portable Ops. Kojima only said those were games he contributed to. Besides, MGS4 already heavily referenced MPO anyways especially with EVA and Liquid Ocelot's speeches in Acts 3 and 5, and even Peace Walker briefly alludes to the events of Portable Ops anyways (heck, even Ground Zeroes briefly alluded to the ending of Portable Ops), meaning its impossible to make it non-canon. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:08, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
Right. In fact I remember another interview in which Kojima states that only some aspects are canonical(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufKS1gdnIGU&feature=youtu.be&t=45m30s). I think those you mentioned and even the ones indirectly confirmed in cassette briefing of MGSV. It's the only "canon" chapter without the "A Hideo Kojima Game" on the cover and many other things. I think at the time he didn't dislike the thing but now he could not do a complete retcon and he had to settle with a partial one. It's a spin-off based on canon elements we might say. Similar situation as MG and MG2 which are basically canon but needs to be remade because of all the retcons which overwrote them.37.117.217.246 17:41, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

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