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Is Quiet a legitimately new character? Or does she have relation to other characters in the series?

  • Now before you all get all bent out of shape, I'm not saying she's Sniper Wolf. In fact, I don't think she's even related to Sniper Wolf, although it is a possibility.

    But what I'm thinking about is The End. Could she possibly be the child of The End, exhibiting similar sniping prowess? The End has the ability of photosynthesis, and displays an ability to make his liver spots fade away, so why wouldn't some sort of special ability be passed on to his daughter? We see Quiet's black paint around her eyes fade away, which conveniently helps her in sniping as the light does not reflect off her face, and the liver spots on The End could do something similar... 

    Not saying it's 100% the accurate theory. In fact, she's still probably just another new character.

    But food for thought. 

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    • Not the child, maybe the grand-daughter but not the child, he was way to old to have a child (he was over 100 years old, I think) and if she was born while he was a young man or middle-aged, she would definitely look older (she seem to have 23 years old).

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    • I suppose that's more likely, although since he was strangely active as an old man (showing off his stamina despite being over 100 years old) it could be possible for him to conceived her at a fairly older age than normal parents have children.

      But the granddaughter relation is more likely. 

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    • I agree, it can give her good reasons to fight BB.

      Some fans also think she's maybe like Les Enfants Terribles (born to be exactly like The End AKA the father of Sniping). But since he exploded, I think there's nothing left of him to clone anyway.

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    • He may have exploded in MGS3, but there is no guarantee that his DNA wasn't retrieved prior to this and possibly the first attempt at cloning.

      However, I think it's heavily implied that LET was the very first successful cloning attempt. For Quiet to look the age she does (around her 20s), she would've needed to be "born" in 1964. So it's highly unlikely they had even perfected the cloning process anyway at that point in time.

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    • That's another point.

      Maybe the whole "photosynthesis" thing run in the family.

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    • Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!

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    • 76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!

      Let's see....going by purely PO and PW

      Cunningham, Elisa/Ursala, Python, Gene, Paz, Galvez/Zadornov, Coldman, Strangelove, Amanda, Chico, Cecile.

      Nope, Kojima neeeever adds new characters legitimately. 

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    • 0nighthawk0 wrote:
      76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!
      Let's see....going by purely PO and PW

      Cunningham, Elisa/Ursala, Python, Gene, Paz, Galvez/Zadornov, Coldman, Strangelove, Amanda, Chico, Cecile.

      Nope, Kojima neeeever adds new characters legitimately. 

      With the Phantom Pain, we can add Skull Face, Quiet, Code Talker and many others to come to your list.

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    • 82.123.253.68 wrote:

      With the Phantom Pain, we can add Skull Face, Quiet, Code Talker and many others to come to your list.

      It's not known yet if Quiet, Skull Face, Code Talker are new characters. 

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    • Mr. Grave wrote:
      82.123.253.68 wrote:

      With the Phantom Pain, we can add Skull Face, Quiet, Code Talker and many others to come to your list.

      It's not known yet if Quiet, Skull Face, Code Talker are new characters. 

      I hope so.

      So, for the moment, the main theory is that Quiet is The End's grand-daughter.

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    • What I believe in is that Quiet could be the End's granddaughter, or she could posses the same sniping/photosynthesis skill similar to the End.

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    • Lev1athania wrote:
      What I believe in is that Quiet could be the End's granddaughter, or she could posses the same sniping/photosynthesis skill similar to the End.

      Yeah, plus, they can explain that the whole photosynthesis just run in the family.

      And, Quiet could be there to avenge The End.

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    • 76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!

      MGS2: Raiden, Emma Emmerich, Vamp, Solidus Snake, Rosemary

      MGS3: Volgin, EVA, The Sorrow, The Boss, The End, The Fury, The Fear, The Pain, Raikov

      MGS4: Laughing Octopus, Crying Wolf, Screaming Mantis, Raging Raven, Drebin, Little John

      MGS: PW: Galvez/Zadornov, Chico, Paz, Amanda, Coldman, Strangelove

      Never a new character eh?

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    • Strangelove could be Huey's wife and Hal's mother, so she's not 'technically' a legitimately new character.

      But you're right, there's plenty of legitimately new characters in this list.

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    • 82.123.253.68 wrote:
      I agree, it can give her good reasons to fight BB.

      Some fans also think she's maybe like Les Enfants Terribles (born to be exactly like The End AKA the father of Sniping). But since he exploded, I think there's nothing left of him to clone anyway.

      There is too enough of him to clone. They just have to know where to look, and really you don't need to put forth much effort to look up and see where the meaty chunks are falling from. You won't find the bird though. I had him lunch *troll face*

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    • I think everybody ate that goddamn bird.

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    • 0nighthawk0 wrote:
      76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!
      Let's see....going by purely PO and PW

      Cunningham, Elisa/Ursala, Python, Gene, Paz, Galvez/Zadornov, Coldman, Strangelove, Amanda, Chico, Cecile.

      Nope, Kojima neeeever adds new characters legitimately. 

      My friend I give you one point. I would give you a cookie, but I ate them all on the way here.

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    • There's no way of knowing that the blackening around her eyes was the photosynthesis, You have to remember, The End had the spots on his skin not around his eyes. Photosynthesis  is an obsorbsion method. and if his eyes are in a scope, Bugged out or not, then he will not be able to obsorb the sunlight. Now I am not discounting that Quiet could be related to The End. I had the same thought. But the blackening around her eyes suggests something else. Maybe an enhanced vision or focus state where she drowns out everything around her and focuses only on the person in the cross-hairs. An extreme Tunnel Vision. Considering she is deprived of the ability to make words (Probably because her tongue got cut out. My best guess) she could drown out all the sounds around her. I have no proof, but from what I saw it just doesn't fit the photosynthesis. Though I could be wrong (God knows it has happened more then a couple hundred times). She could just be a mute sniper who is just gonna get tossed to the wayside like The End was after his battle. The only two members of The Cobra Unit that get mentioned beyond Snake Eater are: The Boss, and The Sorrow. Hell, The Sorrow makes an active cameo in MGS4. You could also argue The Boss makes a cameo too, but I am not counting memory scenes from peace walker, or the A.I.

      Again I could be wrong, But who knows. Kojima LOVES to keeo us guessing. So anything is possible. So I can say that the theory is plausible, but I cannot agree with it until I see more details on the character.  

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    • I didn't suggest the blackening was photosynthesis. But the fact that she has this ability to blacken her eyes (which, in sniping, is used to stop glare when using the sniper scope), as well as the sniping prowess, made me think she possibly has some sort of relation to The End. 

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      I didn't suggest the blackening was photosynthesis. But the fact that she has this ability to blacken her eyes (which, in sniping, is used to stop glare when using the sniper scope), as well as the sniping prowess, made me think she possibly has some sort of relation to The End. 

      Thank you for correcting me. See told you I might be wrong. Still the theory is strong, but I am trying to figure out more as to HOW she is the main heroine, and who side she is on.

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    • Well, if we study the basic definition and etymology of the word 'heroine', the definition is the "chief female character in a book, play, or film, who is typically identified with good qualities. The etymology of the word is from the same work in Greek, heroine, which is the feminine of 'heros' or hero. This makes me think she'll be a good character.

      I think it might've been stated earlier but I'll restate it - she could fight Snake in a sniper battle and then be convinced to join him later.

      And perhaps now that Snake is moving on from his obsession with The Boss, she could be a romantic interest?

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Well, if we study the basic definition and etymology of the word 'heroine', the definition is the "chief female character in a book, play, or film, who is typically identified with good qualities. The etymology of the word is from the same work in Greek, heroine, which is the feminine of 'heros' or hero. This makes me think she'll be a good character.

      I think it might've been stated earlier but I'll restate it - she could fight Snake in a sniper battle and then be convinced to join him later.

      And perhaps now that Snake is moving on from his obsession with The Boss, she could be a romantic interest?

      Big Boss' new codename would have to be "Cradle Robber" at that point.


      Now something just occured to me. I know for certain that Quiet is not Sniper Wolf. What if somehow they are related? Some detail that is getting reconned into the story?

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    • Quiet could be Sniper Wolf's mother. We know that Wolf was in her 20s during MGS1 so she could be born after events of Phantom Pain. Quiet could be Kurd and after MGS5 she could return to Iraq where Wolf was born. It would be quite plot twist if she had a love affair with someone from Outer Heaven in PP who would be Wolf's father. It would be also another reason (aside from her sniping skills) why Big Boss later brought Wolf to US.

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    • Sakahagi wrote:
      Quiet could be Sniper Wolf's mother. We know that Wolf was in her 20s during MGS1 so she could be born after events of Phantom Pain. Quiet could be Kurd and after MGS5 she could return to Iraq where Wolf was born. It would be quite plot twist if she had a love affair with someone from Outer Heaven in PP who would be Wolf's father. It would be also another reason (aside from her sniping skills) why Big Boss later brought Wolf to US.

      One: Get out of my head. I was thinking the same thing. Two: It would make perfect sense. Though for drama's sake it would be a little more compelling to say that she already gave birth to Wolf a very short time before the events of The Phantom Pain. A couple months or so. She could fight with Big Boss to get her daughter back. Kind of a paralelle between Big Boss and Raiden in a way. Big Boss trying to get rescue Quiet's child. In Metal Gear Solid 2, Raiden to stay alive in order to keep Sunny alive.

      You an't tell Quiet's nationality just by her looks, and we won't be able to tell by how she sounds because she has no ability to speak. Considering the caption said she was deprived of words. I would imagine she is either mute or had her tongue cut out. But getting revenge against the ones who killed her childs father (If this theory is correct, and I am not saying it is) and getting her child back would be great motivation in the game. Not to mention a great set up for a betrayal against Big Boss. Kill him in order to save her child.

      You add in the fact that Kojima has been retconning a few things, and all I can say is anything is possible.

      But to answer the question posed at the top of this thread. Just because Quiet could possibly be related to another character doesn't make her any less legitimate. We have never heard of her before now. Not by name, not by anything else. So I do believe that Quiet is legitimately a new character, even if she is related to another characer that has been in previous games.

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    • Has Kojima actually retconned anything with MGSV? I thought it fit into the timeline without any alteration.

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    • In this case it is more of the lack of evidence that is the evidence. Events not being mentioned like the falling out between Zero and Big Boss. The formation of Foxhound These are only mentioned in a timeline post game and pre credits. I mean Shouldn't Big Boss and Zero have founded Foxhound by now. Why no mention of it in Portable Ops and Peace Walker? They mention the sons of Big Boss in Peace Walker but nothing else.Granted Kojima is "God" of the Metal Gear/ Metal Gear Solid Universe. So he can change the timeline up as he sees fit. But those two events mentioned above are major events in the "in game history" why weren't they mentioned by characters? If that is not a lapse in the writing, then it is at least a set up for a retcon. I mean MGS5 is going to be an all out blood bath between Cipher and Big Boss and company. Why would zero allow Big Boss to come back with open arms and let him run Foxhound? unless his respect for him borderlined on the creepy. The game is coming full circle, but there are gaps in the circle.

      Again it is the lack of evidence that is the evidence.

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    • FOXHOUND definitely exists during this time. The last few entries emphasizes this or points it out in some way -- as recent as Peace Walker, in fact, wherein Kaz mentions them directly by name in a discussion with Big Boss (in the "MSF's Goals" briefing files from Kaz, I believe).

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    • FOXHOUND is a major development in the series because Big Boss will later use it as cover for his Outer Heaven Uprising. Not only that, but FOXHOUND are the main antagonists of MGS1, as well as a facsimile of FOXHOUND being used as the organisation Raiden is a part of in MGS2.

      But in Portable Ops, it has not been created yet. In fact, Portable Ops shows the very early beginnings of FOXHOUND, as this is the first time Naked Snake is a leader and the joining of Campbell and Naked Snake will later mark the beginning of the series (Metal Gear 1).

      And in Peace Walker, they're simply a special forces group. There's nothing to make the group significant, it's just a group that Big Boss led for a while and left when he split ties with Zero.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      FOXHOUND is a major development in the series because Big Boss will later use it as cover for his Outer Heaven Uprising. Not only that, but FOXHOUND are the main antagonists of MGS1, as well as a facsimile of FOXHOUND being used as the organisation Raiden is a part of in MGS2.

      But in Portable Ops, it has not been created yet. In fact, Portable Ops shows the very early beginnings of FOXHOUND, as this is the first time Naked Snake is a leader and the joining of Campbell and Naked Snake will later mark the beginning of the series (Metal Gear 1).

      And in Peace Walker, they're simply a special forces group. There's nothing to make the group significant, it's just a group that Big Boss led for a while and left when he split ties with Zero.


      Yeah. Unfortunately, thanks to Peace Walker's ending and possibly the events of GZ/TPP, its highly unlikely that Big Boss would have actually regained control of FOXHOUND, making even Big Mama's account extremely unlikely to have occurred: don't forget, XOF was heavily implied in GZ's opening to be part of CIPHER/The Patriots, not to mention the UN was also implied to have been influenced by CIPHER during that time; Paz inferred that CIPHER was in control of the NRO, DIA, CSS, and NSA at the time of Peace Walker, at the very least, to say nothing about how they influenced the CIA and the KGB either, and if a brief scene from the E3 Microsoft showing of GZ's gameplay is to be believed, the Soviets, via XOF, may in fact be manipulated by CIPHER as well during Afghanistan. Also keep in mind that CIPHER was implied to have ordered for Paz to frame MSF with a nuclear strike against the USA as an insurance policy in case Big Boss refused to rejoin the group, not to mention CIPHER's implied involvement in XOF's destruction of Mother Base, so the chances of Big Boss actually rejoining FOXHOUND have dramatically decreased. Zero would have to be a total idiot to allow Big Boss to regain control of FOXHOUND, knowing that his actions in Peace Walker most likely would have made a bitter enemy should he survive/win against Paz. Peace Walker really should have just stuck with one ending, and if they really had to incorporate the Patriots into it, they should have at least made sure to do it in a way that made it completely unambiguous that Big Boss was familiar with the group and without contradicting the events of MGS4 as told by Big Mama, Liquid Ocelot, and Big Boss himself.

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    • What some of us are forgetting is that Zero idolised the hell out of Big Boss; he was practically obsessed with the man. He built Big Boss up as the big, epic heroic image of the Patriots. Even when Big Boss was near death after Metal Gear 2, Zero went as far as to keep him alive but subdued just to simply keep the legend alive. 

      Big Boss could easily pretend to rejoin the Patriots. Or at the end of The Phantom Pain, Zero could allow Big Boss to live on the stipulation that he rejoins the Patriots and FOXHOUND or whatever. And BB, knowing he has the resources he needs to build up his private army and uprising, agrees. Anything could happen, just remember that.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      What some of us are forgetting is that Zero idolised the hell out of Big Boss; he was practically obsessed with the man. He built Big Boss up as the big, epic heroic image of the Patriots. Even when Big Boss was near death after Metal Gear 2, Zero went as far as to keep him alive but subdued just to simply keep the legend alive. 

      Big Boss could easily pretend to rejoin the Patriots. Or at the end of The Phantom Pain, Zero could allow Big Boss to live on the stipulation that he rejoins the Patriots and FOXHOUND or whatever. And BB, knowing he has the resources he needs to build up his private army and uprising, agrees. Anything could happen, just remember that.


      A guy who "idolizes" someone would not try to frame them with launching a nuclear weapon against the mainland US and make them an enemy of the world. Actually, someone who idolizes them would work hard to prevent that even being a remote possibility.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:
      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      What some of us are forgetting is that Zero idolised the hell out of Big Boss; he was practically obsessed with the man. He built Big Boss up as the big, epic heroic image of the Patriots. Even when Big Boss was near death after Metal Gear 2, Zero went as far as to keep him alive but subdued just to simply keep the legend alive. 

      Big Boss could easily pretend to rejoin the Patriots. Or at the end of The Phantom Pain, Zero could allow Big Boss to live on the stipulation that he rejoins the Patriots and FOXHOUND or whatever. And BB, knowing he has the resources he needs to build up his private army and uprising, agrees. Anything could happen, just remember that.


      A guy who "idolizes" someone would not try to frame them with launching a nuclear weapon against the mainland US and make them an enemy of the world. Actually, someone who idolizes them would work hard to prevent that even being a remote possibility.

      In the aspect of Zero trying to have Big Boss framed. Zero holds a bit of an obsessed stalker mentality. The "If I can't have you, no one will" kind of attitude. Because if Paz really did frame Big Boss. The U.S. would have turned Mother Base into a melted pile of steel with Big Boss buried underneith it in the ocean. But this does prove more of my point that ther is retconning happening and retconning in the works. But like I said, It's Kojima's worlds. I'm not gonna argue as long as the game has the amazing balance of gameplay and story.

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    • I threw together a little timeline. Showing the events after Operation Snake Eater and leading up to the events of The Phantom Pain. All data is taken from this site. So if there is any errors in the data, it is not my fault. I did not copy word for word, I just typed it up as I compiled the data for the timeline. My respect to those on contribute to the articles I used to create this timeline. 


      1970- San Heiranymo Takeover. The Patriots are formed with members: Big Boss, Zero, Eva, Ocelot, Para-Medic, and Sigint.

      1971- FOXHOUND is offically organized into a unit

      1972- Les Enfants Terribles. Liquid Snake and Solid Snake are born through cloning of Big Boss' genes. This leads to a falling out between Big Boss and Zero. Big Boss leaves The Patriots and his command position at FOXHOUND.

      1974- Peace Walker Incident. Zero and Sigint get the idea to use AI's to rule over humanity. The idea stemming from The Peace Walker AI.

      1975- Mother Base destroyed, Big Boss goes into 9 year coma.

      1984- Big Boss awakens from his coma. Events of The Phantom Pain

      (Wikia User GreyWolf84 is born)

      1987- Big Boss returns to the command position of FOXHOUND.


      If the data is correct, it would be 3 years after the events of "The Phantom Pain" That he would take back command of FOXHOUND. My only guess is that there had to be peace talks between Big Boss and Zero in order for Big Boss to get back into the good graces of The Patriots. Unless Big Boss was forced to return for some reason. Maybe to keep Eva from dying? We all know The Patriots are not above using lives as leverage.

      After putting this timeline together. I don't believe Big Boss went back willinly. Though I am sure that later, after his return, he portrayed the role of a willing participant. Just a theory though.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:


      A guy who "idolizes" someone would not try to frame them with launching a nuclear weapon against the mainland US and make them an enemy of the world. Actually, someone who idolizes them would work hard to prevent that even being a remote possibility.

      That was a power play, an attempt by Zero to show that Big Boss either return to the Patriots or face the consequences. Just because he idolises the guy, doesn't mean that he wouldn't try and frame him for a nuclear launch since they're currently enemies. My point is that Zero is obsessed enough with Big Boss that, even after a whole lot of fighting between Diamond Dogs and the Patriots, he'll welcome him back.

      And perhaps GreyWolf is right, Big Boss won't be a willing participant. If that's the case, BB will probably retake command of FOXHOUND at a later point instead of immediately.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Weedle McHairybug wrote:


      A guy who "idolizes" someone would not try to frame them with launching a nuclear weapon against the mainland US and make them an enemy of the world. Actually, someone who idolizes them would work hard to prevent that even being a remote possibility.

      That was a power play, an attempt by Zero to show that Big Boss either return to the Patriots or face the consequences. Just because he idolises the guy, doesn't mean that he wouldn't try and frame him for a nuclear launch since they're currently enemies. My point is that Zero is obsessed enough with Big Boss that, even after a whole lot of fighting between Diamond Dogs and the Patriots, he'll welcome him back.

      And perhaps GreyWolf is right, Big Boss won't be a willing participant. If that's the case, BB will probably retake command of FOXHOUND at a later point instead of immediately.

      Well the article said it would be 15 years before he retakes command. I just did the math. And Zero may Idolize him and see him as a friend, but like I said before. It could be that "If I can't have you. No one will thing" or possibly, "Please com back old friend I do not want to make you suffer." Trying to play it off as being guilty for committing misdeads against Big Boss. Which in my opinion, Zero has a good codename because I feel his remorse level is at Zero.

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    • 76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!

      No it just seems that way because alot of charecters have connections to other charecters.

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    • Joeydo08 wrote:
      76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!
      No it just seems that way because alot of charecters have connections to other charecters.

      The funny thing is. The answer to the question is going to be different depending on who you ask because it is a matter of opinion. There is no clear answer to the question.

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    • GreyWolf84 wrote:

      Joeydo08 wrote:
      76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!
      No it just seems that way because alot of charecters have connections to other charecters.

      The funny thing is. The answer to the question is going to be different depending on who you ask because it is a matter of opinion. There is no clear answer to the question.

      Unless you look at the facts that is.

      Starting with MGS we had: Liquid, Meryl (unless you feel her similarities to Holly are too much), Naomi, Otacon, Mei Ling, Nastasha, Raven, Mantis, Wolf, Ocelot, Donald Anderson, Baker and Houseman.

      MGS2: Raiden, Rose, Olga, Solidus, Fortune, Vamp, Fatman, Stillman, Emma, Sergei, Scott, Ames and President Johnson.

      MGS3: Zero, Para-medic, Eva, Volgin, The Boss, The Pain, The Fear, The End, The Sorrow, The Fury, Granin, Sokolov and hell, Sigint was basically made from the ground up as well despite technically being an existing character.

      Peace Walker: Paz, Zadornov, Amanda, Chico, Huey (again, maybe you could discount due to similarities), Strangelove, Cecile and Coldman. The only returning characters who appear are Miller and Snake, plus EVA appears in the recordings.

      Really the only game that works with what you said is MGS4, and that's kind of what happens when you make a game entirely to wrap up something that was never meant to be wrapped up.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      What some of us are forgetting is that Zero idolised the hell out of Big Boss; he was practically obsessed with the man. He built Big Boss up as the big, epic heroic image of the Patriots. Even when Big Boss was near death after Metal Gear 2, Zero went as far as to keep him alive but subdued just to simply keep the legend alive. 

      Big Boss could easily pretend to rejoin the Patriots. Or at the end of The Phantom Pain, Zero could allow Big Boss to live on the stipulation that he rejoins the Patriots and FOXHOUND or whatever. And BB, knowing he has the resources he needs to build up his private army and uprising, agrees. Anything could happen, just remember that.


      A guy who "idolizes" someone would not try to frame them with launching a nuclear weapon against the mainland US and make them an enemy of the world. Actually, someone who idolizes them would work hard to prevent that even being a remote possibility.

      No Weedle, YOU would not try to frame someone you idolise. YOU would try to prevent that. But you're not a crazy english man trying to take control of the world based on the will of a person close to the guy you idolised, who has a different idea of what her will was.

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    • i think Quiet is related to Naomi or Frank Jaeger. Frank killed Naomis parents, but we dont know under wich circumstances. Is there any onformation about Quiet, maybe how old she is? 

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    • Well she appears to be in her twenties, she could be in her thirties but that's stretching it a bit. It's quite an interesting point, however. We know virtually nothing about Naomi's parents. Time will tell whether your idea holds or not.

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    • Okay, so I know everyone is tired with;

      >She is/or is related to Sniper Wolf!

      But I was thinking, from the look of things Kaz's morality is going down the drain. I was thinking - he rapes Quiet, and that'd be the final straw between Kaz and Boss. Quiet ends up pregnant, Sniper Wolf is the baby. Maybe something happens to Quiet, Boss puts the child into some kind of foster care. Age might not match in the end with this theory, but hey, Kojima is pretty crazy with them retcons.

      I still agree with The End thing too, I was just thinking about just how far Kojima could go with Metal Gear Solid V.

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    • I think that we're all still trying to connect characters to each other a lot (including myself) and we should remain aware that characters in this game don't have to link into characters in future games. Just because she's a sniper, doesn't necessarily mean she's related to The End or Sniper Wolf.

      Of course, it's entirely possible she may be, but just remember.

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    • actually the big question about quiet is how and why she´d get Quiet (cutted out tounge or just refuses to speak). If she got her tounge cut out, then the question is from whom and when. So im guessing they cut out her toung when she get tortured. So i think she knowns something pretty important (maybe the position of the les infant terribles childrens, or anything about cyphers plans) and they wont let her tell, so they decide to cut her tounge. I cant find any reason for her to just dont say anything to anyone and its quiet called cause of that... 

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      I think that we're all still trying to connect characters to each other a lot (including myself) and we should remain aware that characters in this game don't have to link into characters in future games.

      u rite

      I think it's because most of us got this idea in our heads that the game will feature the "Sons of Big Boss" (Which I would have no problem with.) because of the Psycho Mantis-like character and Eli, even though those characters could be entirely new. (Although I am doubtful.)

      People with the Sniper Wolf theory WANT her to be Sniper Wolf (or related to) because they believe Eli is Liquid and so on and so forth.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Well she appears to be in her twenties, she could be in her thirties but that's stretching it a bit. It's quite an interesting point, however. We know virtually nothing about Naomi's parents. Time will tell whether your idea holds or not.

      about naomis parents, the only thing we know is they got killed by Gray Fox. But the question for me is how could a top agent like fox been in that time accidently killed her parents... idk but it doesnt seem believable that he killed them accidently... 

      as for her name quiet, maybe she cut out her tounge by herself, so i guess many of you ask why would she do that. and the only thing comes in my mind as for a mother to protect her child, so she cant tell anything while being tortured... if thats the case its very possible that shes the mother of sniper wolf. 

      but ya im asking myself the whole time, why u would torture someone who cant speak?! 

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    • 46.182.136.115 wrote:
      So im guessing they cut out her toung when she get tortured. So i think she knowns something pretty important (maybe the position of the les infant terribles childrens, or anything about cyphers plans) and they wont let her tell, so they decide to cut her tounge. I cant find any reason for her to just dont say anything to anyone and its quiet called cause of that... 

      Because there's absolutely no way she could reveal the information she knows anyway... it's not like she could write it down or anything.

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    • well good point bunnsy xD 

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    • HOT GIRL!!

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    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx-M_B4KktI

      Yong is a genius, I never noticed that.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx-M_B4KktI

      Yong is a genius, I never noticed that.

      But you yourself mentioned it in your original post.

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    • Soul reaper wrote:

      Misterbunnsy wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx-M_B4KktI

      Yong is a genius, I never noticed that.

      But you yourself mentioned it in your original post.

      I never noticed the sun spots, that's what I was referring to. If he had never pointed it out, I don't think I would've ever noticed.

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    • If Quiet isn't a "new" character then why has no one brought up Amanda from PW? She looks just like her and would probably have taken training from MSF.

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    • Here are a two reasons why it can't be Amanda:

      1. Quiet appears to be younger than Amanda. Almost 10 years have passed since the events of Peace Walker, and Quiet seems to be about the same age Amanda was in PW, like late 20s or early 30s.

      2. Your theory doesn't explain the disappearing mascara. It's not like Amanda could have gained that ability, just like that. It's clearly not something you can learn, not in the Metal Gear universe at least.

      We're just gonna have to wait until some new facts emerge, I guess. 

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    • Quiet looks like just like Amanda? Didn't Amanda have reddish/auburn hair. Quiet's is a lot darker.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Quiet looks like just like Amanda? Didn't Amanda have reddish/auburn hair. Quiet's is a lot darker.

      Not to mention Amanda is kinda dead. The woman Skullface was talking about to Chico. The one that was tortured and then killed. He was talking about Amanda

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    • GreyWolf84 wrote:
      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Quiet looks like just like Amanda? Didn't Amanda have reddish/auburn hair. Quiet's is a lot darker.
      Not to mention Amanda is kinda dead. The woman Skullface was talking about to Chico. The one that was tortured and then killed. He was talking about Amanda

      What makes you think its Amanda and not some other female prisoner Chico became acquainted with? Besides which, the briefing made it explicitly clear that the only two people they were to rescue were Chico and Paz. Had Amanda been captured by XOF, don't you think they would have made that clear in the opening scene with the briefing between Kaz and Snake.

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    • Consider this; Why would Chico risk his life for some woman if it wasn't either Amanda or Paz? They are the only women as of late that Chico actually cares about.

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    • 112.204.177.102 wrote:
      Consider this; Why would Chico risk his life for some woman if it wasn't either Amanda or Paz? They are the only women as of late that Chico actually cares about.


      So why the heck did Kaz and Snake not even know about Amanda being captured/killed? From the briefing, the only two prisoners they were to extract were Paz and Chico. Amanda is not a mere grunt within MSF, she's pretty much one of their top officers, and besides which, she's also the FSLN's comandante, so her disappearance is not something to easily dismiss, especially amongst her men. Sorry, but Amanda being the one doesn't make any sense, because the briefing did not list her as being among those to be rescued. Its obvious Paz isn't the guy Skull-Face was referring to, but Amanda doesn't fit the bill, either (again, why would Kaz and/or Snake be completely ignorant of or just flat out ignore Amanda's prisoner status in the briefing if she was captured?).

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    • she also probably would have left the MSF to go back to Nicaragua to fight with the FSLN. Maybe she also left Chico in Snake's care until the revolution was over (if so then Snake isn't doing a good job).

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    • 12.77.204.10 wrote:
      she also probably would have left the MSF to go back to Nicaragua to fight with the FSLN. Maybe she also left Chico in Snake's care until the revolution was over (if so then Snake isn't doing a good job).

      I think Amanda could've returned to Nicaragua to lead the FSLN, and she probably gave Chico the choice of whether to accompany her or remain with MSF. And Chico, remembering his first encounter with Snake, would choose to remain at MSF. After all, the main factor in Chico's story in Peace Walker was his desire to be treated as an adult. That's why Amanda would decide to treat him as an adult and allow him to make the decision.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      12.77.204.10 wrote:
      she also probably would have left the MSF to go back to Nicaragua to fight with the FSLN. Maybe she also left Chico in Snake's care until the revolution was over (if so then Snake isn't doing a good job).
      I think Amanda could've returned to Nicaragua to lead the FSLN, and she probably gave Chico the choice of whether to accompany her or remain with MSF. And Chico, remembering his first encounter with Snake, would choose to remain at MSF. After all, the main factor in Chico's story in Peace Walker was his desire to be treated as an adult. That's why Amanda would decide to treat him as an adult and allow him to make the decision.


      True, but it would be pretty doubtful that FSLN would just cease all contact with MSF once they went their separate ways. I'm pretty sure the FSLN would have also at least personally requested that MSF also look into finding their missing leader as a favor. Yet from the way the opening scene of Ground Zeroes is done, the only two prisoners they were to search for were Paz and Chico. Absolutely no mention of any other prisoners of importance. Besides, since Ground Zeroes took place in 1975, she and the rest of FSLN would still at least try to take down Somoza in 1979. Whoever the female prisoner Skull-Face mentioned was, its very doubtful its Amanda, and its clearly not Paz, either.

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    • Why is it clearly not Paz? Didn't Kojima confirm it was Paz who was being held captive, and that it was Paz who was having the bomb-looking device surgically removed?

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Why is it clearly not Paz? Didn't Kojima confirm it was Paz who was being held captive, and that it was Paz who was having the bomb-looking device surgically removed?

      When I said "its clearly not Paz," I was referring to the prisoner that Skull-Face mentioned when meeting him, since he implies that he killed the prisoner in question in a merciful manner as he promised to Chico ("I kept my word. She did not suffer long."). Paz is definitely imprisoned on the island, no question about it.

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    • Oh I get you. My mistake.

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    • Well if that was true then why didnt Skull Face mention Paz and that she was alive and what would Amanda be doing in cuba. i mean it would be a little pointless to kidnap a FSLN comandante when you already have at least one prisoner(Paz) who already knows everything.

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    • I wonder what happened to rest of the MSF crew at the Base; who survived? who got killed? I'm talking about the main characters like Amanda, Cecile, or Kojima himself, xD. He stated that he was the unseen character which Kaz asked "What about him" in the Hospital scene, though I really think he was trying to keep some other character hidden from us for the time being (Chico, maybe?).


      About Quiet (which really is the main topic), I think she has some kind of connection with some other MGS character, either from the past (The End), or the future (Wolf), as some of you stated. Or maybe even both!

      Well, if I remember correctly, The End's pet parrot called him "Grampa". This could be for reasons of addressing him as an old man in a comic relief kind of way, or maybe it was a hint for a possible future character in the series (in this case, Quiet).

      As stated before, both characters possess apparent paranormal properties which may serve as a link between them: The End possessing the photosynthesis cammouflage, and Quiet, the odd mascara thing that remains to be explained.

      Now: It's normal behaviour for the parrots, and other birds, to mimic sounds that they hear; what if The End maintained contact with his family at some level, at least sufficient enough for his pet to hear and learn that word from his granddaughter? I don't think it's a farfetched idea by any means! The End died in the course of MGS3, which occured in 1964. MGS5 (TPP) is placed in 1984 (20 years later), so, if his granddaughter was 2 or 3 years old, for example, she would be 22/23 years old in TPP, which may, as well, correspond to Quiet's age.

      Furthermore, I think Kojima would want to carry out some sort of legacy from Snake Eater to the new big game featuring Big Boss as the main character, and since Big Boss was responsible for some kills there (even if you tranq'd the Cobra's, they would self-desctruct) that could eventually lead to dire consequences later, i.e, characters affiliated with them seeking revenge. I must also state that, according to Kojima, revenge is one of the main themes for MGS5, as you can also acknowledge if you pay atention to the sentences shown throughout the main trailer for the game.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:
      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Why is it clearly not Paz? Didn't Kojima confirm it was Paz who was being held captive, and that it was Paz who was having the bomb-looking device surgically removed?
      When I said "its clearly not Paz," I was referring to the prisoner that Skull-Face mentioned when meeting him, since he implies that he killed the prisoner in question in a merciful manner as he promised to Chico ("I kept my word. She did not suffer long."). Paz is definitely imprisoned on the island, no question about it.

      Judging by the whole MGSGZ scene available to us, I agree Amanda is not likely involved as Kaz and Snake would probably mention her alongside Chico during their rescue mission. On the other hand, it may be worth noting that XOF could be tricking Chico to give away certain intel (which he did) by making him think Paz's fate is at his hands. So when Skull Face said [She did not suffer long], it may still be that he is referring to Paz (given it is unlikely that other VIPs are involved and that we aren't seeing the whole picture.) and lied to Chico, knowingly Big Boss is on his way.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      I think everybody ate that goddamn bird.

      That damn punk Ocelot ate the parrot while I was captured in Groznyj Grad! I was planning on keeping it >:(

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    • I mean Shouldn't Big Boss and Zero have founded Foxhound by now. Why no mention of it in Portable Ops and Peace Walker? They mention the sons of Big Boss in Peace Walker but nothing else.

      Foxhound was founded by Big Boss during the events of Portable Ops; the unit you assemble by recruiting soldiers during that game actually becomes Foxhound at the end after taking out the renegade FOX-unit, also explaining where the unit got it's name from (even though the unit is not mentioned in-game dialogue, you can see Big Boss wearing Foxhound emblem on his beret in the final cutscene). Foxhound is also briefly mentioned in Peace Walker by Miller during one Codec-conversation conserning Boss's legacy in Special Forces.

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    • 95.69.116.128 wrote:
      I wonder what happened to rest of the MSF crew at the Base; who survived? who got killed? I'm talking about the main characters like Amanda, Cecile, or Kojima himself, xD. He stated that he was the unseen character which Kaz asked "What about him" in the Hospital scene, though I really think he was trying to keep some other character hidden from us for the time being (Chico, maybe?).

      Yeah, I wonder if we actually find out what happens to everyone, or are their fate's left open. Another thing I'm curious about, what happened to Zeke? Was it destroyd along with Mother Base, or could we expect to see it during the events of Phantom Pain?

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    • 80.75.99.120 wrote:
      95.69.116.128 wrote:
      I wonder what happened to rest of the MSF crew at the Base; who survived? who got killed? I'm talking about the main characters like Amanda, Cecile, or Kojima himself, xD. He stated that he was the unseen character which Kaz asked "What about him" in the Hospital scene, though I really think he was trying to keep some other character hidden from us for the time being (Chico, maybe?).
      Yeah, I wonder if we actually find out what happens to everyone, or are their fate's left open. Another thing I'm curious about, what happened to Zeke? Was it destroyd along with Mother Base, or could we expect to see it during the events of Phantom Pain?

      Big Boss and Miller would have to be pretty stupid to not call an evacuation order in case the UN inspectors turned out to be a trap. I know I'd make sure I would have evacuated non-essential personnel as well as most weaponry from Mother Base in case it turned out the UN inspectors were not actually that and were gunning us down. That includes ZEKE as well, especially seeing how Big Boss, per Huey's suggestion, trained against ZEKE specifically in preparation of an event where it got hijacked again.

      We at least know Strangelove will be in MGSV thanks to that podcast. Kaz and Huey are obviously confirmed fro the Phantom Pain, and Chico and Paz are already confirmed for Ground Zeroes. That only leaves Amanda and Cecile as MIA for now. Hopefully they at least receive a mention.

      Anyways, I'm a bit irritated that they didn't do Mother Base right. If they are going to bother destroying Mother Base, they should at least get it right (ie, use its maxxed out form). Then again, the base in The Phantom Pain that Big Boss helped Miller to looked suspiciously like Mother Base, so its also likely it just ended up severely damaged, not completely destroyed (that briefing file for the missile mission in Extra Ops did mention that Mother Base would need to take a lot more than a missile to be destroyed).

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    • well Amanda would have went back to Nicuragua and Cecile would go back to france and also ZEKE was most likely not even operational at the time of the attack because Big Boss almost destroyed it when Paz hijacked it. ground zeros is probly around 12 days after the end of peace walker so it wouldnt be at full strength just yet.

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    • Spacecrab wrote:
      well Amanda would have went back to Nicuragua and Cecile would go back to france and also ZEKE was most likely not even operational at the time of the attack because Big Boss almost destroyed it when Paz hijacked it. ground zeros is probly around 12 days after the end of peace walker so it wouldnt be at full strength just yet.

      Actually, other than the game occurring in 1975, we don't even know how long Ground Zeroes occurred post-Peace Walker. For all we know, they might have learned about Paz's survival a good few months afterwards (remember, they only said that 10 days had passed since they discovered Paz's survival. It never necessarily said those ten days occurred after their fight). Besides which: Huey specifically suggested that Big Boss fight ZEKE as training as a way to avoid a repeat of what happened when Paz hijacked it, and there wouldn't have been a point to it if they weren't going to train it. Besides, the player had to literally complete several missions and recruit a lot of personnel just to unlock the ending, as well as the secret tape.

      Amanda's probably back in Nicaragua (especially if one remembers the ending timelines in Peace Walker regarding the FSLN), though Chico's presence in MSF in GZ would probably imply otherwise. Cecile's either back in France, survived MSF's attack, or died in the attack. It doesn't help that Cecile acted as a chef during Paz's stay on Mother Base, and was at least present long enough for her to have learned about Paz's status as a spy.

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    • i could have sworn it said that she was rescued 10 days before. though even if it was 10 days it could still be 1975 since PW's main story ended november 29th and Paz probly stayed around a month after the end. Chico also dosnt seem to have changed much and neither has enyone else so ill have to rewatch it tomarow to see what was actualy said.

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    • Spacecrab wrote:
      i could have sworn it said that she was rescued 10 days before. though even if it was 10 days it could still be 1975 since PW's main story ended november 29th and Paz probly stayed around a month after the end. Chico also dosnt seem to have changed much and neither has enyone else so ill have to rewatch it tomarow to see what was actualy said.


      You're right, they did say she was rescued 10 days before. However, it never said whether the fight itself took place 10 days before as well, or whether a day or a week passed between the two.

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    • well a person can only last around 3 days without water

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Big Boss and Miller would have to be pretty stupid to not call an evacuation order in case the UN inspectors turned out to be a trap. I know I'd make sure I would have evacuated non-essential personnel as well as most weaponry from Mother Base in case it turned out the UN inspectors were not actually that and were gunning us down. That includes ZEKE as well, especially seeing how Big Boss, per Huey's suggestion, trained against ZEKE specifically in preparation of an event where it got hijacked again.

      We at least know Strangelove will be in MGSV thanks to that podcast. Kaz and Huey are obviously confirmed fro the Phantom Pain, and Chico and Paz are already confirmed for Ground Zeroes. That only leaves Amanda and Cecile as MIA for now. Hopefully they at least receive a mention.

      Good point, but then again we don't know at this point if XOF's ambush on Mother Base and the UN inspection mentioned in the trailer are the same thing; technically they could be two separate events as we are yet to find out how much actually happens during Ground Zero portion of MGS5. I guess XOF could technically take MSF by suprise some time after the inspection with the help of their "trojan horse" Skullface referred in the Ground Zeroes trailer. Then again as you stated Mother Base isn't that easy to destroy and neither are Metal Gears, so there is pretty high change Zeke survived XOF's raid.

      I didn't know Strangelove was confirmed to be in it, glad to know that even though her survival might not be that suprising. Anyways her appearance probably means we also find out if the theory of her being Otacons mother is true or not. Kaz and Huey obviously survive destruction of Mother Base, but Paz and Chico might not, as there are know clear confirmation about them appearing after Ground Zeroes. As for Amanda and Cecile, those two are big question mark. I kinda fear theres a change we don't even hear from them again, as they are the most likeliest two to not even be aboard Mother Base during XOF's attack, as Amanda could have gone back to fight for the revolution with her Sandinistas and Cecile could have returned to Paris, as Big Boss promised to arrange her transport back home and her being civillian it really would only make sense for her to leave after how hairy Big Boss predicted things were going to get after Peace Walker.

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    • 84.248.111.160 wrote:
      Weedle McHairybug wrote:
      Big Boss and Miller would have to be pretty stupid to not call an evacuation order in case the UN inspectors turned out to be a trap. I know I'd make sure I would have evacuated non-essential personnel as well as most weaponry from Mother Base in case it turned out the UN inspectors were not actually that and were gunning us down. That includes ZEKE as well, especially seeing how Big Boss, per Huey's suggestion, trained against ZEKE specifically in preparation of an event where it got hijacked again.

      We at least know Strangelove will be in MGSV thanks to that podcast. Kaz and Huey are obviously confirmed fro the Phantom Pain, and Chico and Paz are already confirmed for Ground Zeroes. That only leaves Amanda and Cecile as MIA for now. Hopefully they at least receive a mention.

      Good point, but then again we don't know at this point if XOF's ambush on Mother Base and the UN inspection mentioned in the trailer are the same thing; technically they could be two separate events as we are yet to find out how much actually happens during Ground Zero portion of MGS5. I guess XOF could technically take MSF by suprise some time after the inspection with the help of their "trojan horse" Skullface referred in the Ground Zeroes trailer. Then again as you stated Mother Base isn't that easy to destroy and neither are Metal Gears, so there is pretty high change Zeke survived XOF's raid.

      I didn't know Strangelove was confirmed to be in it, glad to know that even though her survival might not be that suprising. Anyways her appearance probably means we also find out if the theory of her being Otacons mother is true or not. Kaz and Huey obviously survive destruction of Mother Base, but Paz and Chico might not, as there are know clear confirmation about them appearing after Ground Zeroes. As for Amanda and Cecile, those two are big question mark. I kinda fear theres a change we don't even hear from them again, as they are the most likeliest two to not even be aboard Mother Base during XOF's attack, as Amanda could have gone back to fight for the revolution with her Sandinistas and Cecile could have returned to Paris, as Big Boss promised to arrange her transport back home and her being civillian it really would only make sense for her to leave after how hairy Big Boss predicted things were going to get after Peace Walker.

      True, Cecile's a civilian. But then again, a briefing file did imply that Big Boss also made her into a scout while she was technically a MSF member. Plus, she seemed to act as a chef for MSF's mess hall if Paz's third diary entry is anything to go by. We'll see soon enough.

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    • XOF seems to be going for a total destruction, I doubt the presence of a civilian from another country will prevent Skull Face from completely destroy Mother's Base.

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    • 86.212.78.8 wrote:
      XOF seems to be going for a total destruction, I doubt the presence of a civilian from another country will prevent Skull Face from completely destroy Mother's Base.

      I know thats their main motive, which is why if she is to survive, she either escaped Mother Base unharmed or wasn't even present on Mother Base.

      Though to be fair, they failed in that regard, seeing how Big Boss, Miller, Huey, and possibly Strangelove have already been confirmed to have survived the attack. If we go by the GDC trailer, a lot of medics might have either survived the attack or otherwise MSF had plenty of allies outside Mother Base.

      If they are going to attack Mother Base, which they obviously are, they'd better have a lot of high-grade weaponry with them like a nuclear bomb, as Miller made it very clear that it would take a lot more than destroyer missiles to take out Mother Base for the count.

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    • Kojima recently tweeted about Quiet's clothes (or lack thereof) and commented on the game's theme of race or "judging and hating other cultures, preferences, yadda yadda" and saying that once we know the reason behind her scantily clad appearance that we will feel ashamed of ourselves for judging it. I think she does have a family relation with The End due to her disappearing mascara and her lack of clothes is explained as taking advantage of the Afghan sun by leaving as much of her skin exposed as possible to soak up those rays. Plus, her white/tan colored skin makes for better camouflage than moss suit like The End's which, proved by Snake using the moss camo, works in place of The End's skin and restores stamina to the wearer, whoever it is.
      
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    • 99.10.197.239 wrote:
      Kojima recently tweeted about Quiet's clothes (or lack thereof) and commented on the game's theme of race or "judging and hating other cultures, preferences, yadda yadda" and saying that once we know the reason behind her scantily clad appearance that we will feel ashamed of ourselves for judging it. I think she does have a family relation with The End due to her disappearing mascara and her lack of clothes is explained as taking advantage of the Afghan sun by leaving as much of her skin exposed as possible to soak up those rays. Plus, her white/tan colored skin makes for better camouflage than moss suit like The End's which, proved by Snake using the moss camo, works in place of The End's skin and restores stamina to the wearer, whoever it is.

      Hmm... and here was I thinking that she might had lost her attire during "interrogation", and eventualy escaping captivity, having only time to grab her boots and her guns.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:
      86.212.78.8 wrote:
      XOF seems to be going for a total destruction, I doubt the presence of a civilian from another country will prevent Skull Face from completely destroy Mother's Base.
      I know thats their main motive, which is why if she is to survive, she either escaped Mother Base unharmed or wasn't even present on Mother Base.

      Though to be fair, they failed in that regard, seeing how Big Boss, Miller, Huey, and possibly Strangelove have already been confirmed to have survived the attack. If we go by the GDC trailer, a lot of medics might have either survived the attack or otherwise MSF had plenty of allies outside Mother Base.

      If they are going to attack Mother Base, which they obviously are, they'd better have a lot of high-grade weaponry with them like a nuclear bomb, as Miller made it very clear that it would take a lot more than destroyer missiles to take out Mother Base for the count.


      Many peoples wil get suspicious if a atomic bomb from an unknow country is dropped on the base that the UN is going to inspect soon.

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    • 86.212.78.8 wrote:
      XOF seems to be going for a total destruction, I doubt the presence of a civilian from another country will prevent Skull Face from completely destroy Mother's Base.

      Obviously it wouldn't mean any difference to XOF if there were civilians in Mother Base, but Big Boss probably wouldn't want to envolve Cecile in the mess ahead as she doesn't really have any obligation to risk her life for MSF, cause as a civillian she's more a guest to MSF than an actual recruit.

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    • though she probly would have went back to france GZ takes place 12 days after PW so im not sure she would have had time to secure transport to france then leave MSF behind so quickly.

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    • Did Kojima confirm that it was 12 days after Peace Walker? I haven't heard this anywhere else.

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    • he didnt comfirm it but if you consider she was rescued 10 days prior to GZ and a person can only survive 2-3 days without water it would make sence

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    • Spacecrab wrote:
      though she probly would have went back to france GZ takes place 12 days after PW so im not sure she would have had time to secure transport to france then leave MSF behind so quickly.

      The problem is that Snake considered making her a scout after learning of her experience in jungle terrain. So... it seems she stayed for a while in Mother Base.

      The question is: how long?

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    • You're all wrong!  Quiet is Furtune, who, after being killed, had her midiclorians....errrr....nanomachines bring her back to life.  Then she traveled into the past.  Now as you all know, traveling through time has that really pesky side effect of causing the time traveler to get really bad larengitus (sorry, too lazy to look up the spelling).

      Anyways, after she arrived in the time when MSGV:PP (huh huh, I said "pee pee"), she got totured.  Now as we all know, torture triggers vitiligo.  That pissed her off even more.  She decided to kill Oscellot.  As she was about to shoot her rifle, the very last bit of her original skit color vanished due to the vitiligo, and that is what we see happening in that clip.


      What?  Think I'm wrong?  Don't look at me like I'm crazy.

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    • Twenty2AcaciaAve wrote:
      You're all wrong!  Quiet is Furtune, who, after being killed, had her midiclorians....errrr....nanomachines bring her back to life.  Then she traveled into the past.  Now as you all know, traveling through time has that really pesky side effect of causing the time traveler to get really bad larengitus (sorry, too lazy to look up the spelling).

      Anyways, after she arrived in the time when MSGV:PP (huh huh, I said "pee pee"), she got totured.  Now as we all know, torture triggers vitiligo.  That pissed her off even more.  She decided to kill Oscellot.  As she was about to shoot her rifle, the very last bit of her original skit color vanished due to the vitiligo, and that is what we see happening in that clip.


      What?  Think I'm wrong?  Don't look at me like I'm crazy.

      Im sorry man but YOU WENT FULL RETARD! NEVER GO FULL RETARD MAN!

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    • Full Asian, however, is perfectly acceptable. 

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      He may have exploded in MGS3, but there is no guarantee that his DNA wasn't retrieved prior to this and possibly the first attempt at cloning.

      However, I think it's heavily implied that LET was the very first successful cloning attempt. For Quiet to look the age she does (around her 20s), she would've needed to be "born" in 1964. So it's highly unlikely they had even perfected the cloning process anyway at that point in time.

      Well yeah, but remember there has been other genetic experiments, like Gene in MGS PO

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    • 187.171.176.2 wrote:

      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      He may have exploded in MGS3, but there is no guarantee that his DNA wasn't retrieved prior to this and possibly the first attempt at cloning.

      However, I think it's heavily implied that LET was the very first successful cloning attempt. For Quiet to look the age she does (around her 20s), she would've needed to be "born" in 1964. So it's highly unlikely they had even perfected the cloning process anyway at that point in time.

      Well yeah, but remember there has been other genetic experiments, like Gene in MGS PO

      Not to mention she really wouldn't be a clone of The End anyways (not a true clone, anyways), since clones don't have different genders from their genetic source. At best, expect her status as being like the Genome Soldiers (ie, their genes were transferred "digitally.")

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    • 0nighthawk0 wrote:
      76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!
      Let's see....going by purely PO and PW

      Cunningham, Elisa/Ursala, Python, Gene, Paz, Galvez/Zadornov, Coldman, Strangelove, Amanda, Chico, Cecile.

      Nope, Kojima neeeever adds new characters legitimately. 

      You see, Coldman was also implied in Op. Snake Eater, who says that he wasn´t cut out before the release? Or that he was scrapped at the very beginning? And then he was used as antagonist in PW.

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    • Sniping ability isn't genetic.

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    • okay so I did a little brain storming I have this video skip to 5:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0DAv34i8fQ what ocelot mentions to sergi is odd. Then there is this guy named borris from MGS revengence I never played the game but it talked about how him and sergi were war buddies back during the cold war and he had something to do with a afganistan invasion etc. In the phantom pain trailers we can see ocelot watching quiet getting tortured. My theory is quiet had some kind of a link between sergi the link I'm not sure but it must have been important as you could see how sergi reacts whe ocelot says "I abandoned her during the cold war."

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    • This is a continuation of where I left off but I was trying to think of someone from mgs3 that could have fit the bill but the problem is that sergi looks younger than ocelot making me think he was born around the 60's or 50's landing him right around his thirties in afghanistan in 1984 since sergi was so young there would be no way that he would know the boss any of the cobras etc from MGS3

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    • and borris was born 1962

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    • 67.235.28.79 wrote:
      okay so I did a little brain storming I have this video skip to 5:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0DAv34i8fQ what ocelot mentions to sergi is odd. Then there is this guy named borris from MGS revengence I never played the game but it talked about how him and sergi were war buddies back during the cold war and he had something to do with a afganistan invasion etc. In the phantom pain trailers we can see ocelot watching quiet getting tortured. My theory is quiet had some kind of a link between sergi the link I'm not sure but it must have been important as you could see how sergi reacts whe ocelot says "I abandoned her during the cold war."

      "her"= mother russia 

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Now before you all get all bent out of shape, I'm not saying she's Sniper Wolf. In fact, I don't think she's even related to Sniper Wolf, although it is a possibility.

      But what I'm thinking about is The End. Could she possibly be the child of The End, inheriting his sniping prowess? The End has the ability of photosynthesis, so why wouldn't some sort of special ability be passed on to his daughter? We see Quiet's black paint around her eyes fade away... 

      Not saying it's 100% the accurate theory. In fact, she's still probably just another new character.

      But food for thought. 

      Personally, i think she resembles Naomis look from MGS 4. Maybe they're related?

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    • I think chico and quiet are the same person

      Unnamed (2)

       

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    • Jesus whoever came up with that theory is sick in the head.

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    • 82.123.253.68 wrote:
      0nighthawk0 wrote:
      76.6.212.70 wrote:
      Lol, Kojima never adds a 'legitimately' new character!
      Let's see....going by purely PO and PW

      Cunningham, Elisa/Ursala, Python, Gene, Paz, Galvez/Zadornov, Coldman, Strangelove, Amanda, Chico, Cecile.

      Nope, Kojima neeeever adds new characters legitimately. 

      With the Phantom Pain, we can add Skull Face, Quiet, Code Talker and many others to come to your list.

      It has been confirmed through a Ground Zeroes audio tape that Skull Face is indeed from Big Boss' past. So maybe not entirely new.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      Jesus whoever came up with that theory is sick in the head.

      I wonder how Kojima reacts if he sees that Chico = Quiet picture......

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    • "My fans are nuts"

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    • Jim, I don't know if I necessarily want to be associated with someone who came up with that Chico = Quiet theory. 

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      "My fans are nuts"

      LOL. Exactly what i was thinking.

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    • I doubt Kojima wants to tackle a transgender character yet. Lol. He already pissed alot of people off with GZ.

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    • Moon batman wrote:
      I think chico and quiet are the same person
      Unnamed (2)


      these phantom pain theories are just getting better and better

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    • Maybe Quiet is Meryl's mother.

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    • I'm gonna laugh so hard if all this ridiculous Chico=quiet, eli=raiden, gray fox = big boss's body double, end up being true

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    • Maybe Quiet is someone completely different and Kojima...




      PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!

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    • Moon Batman if that happened, I would piss myself laughing.

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    • Moon batman wrote:
      I think chico and quiet are the same person
      Unnamed (2)

      Just because she has nice jugs doesn't mean that they're implants.

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    • Yong Yea analysed this theory a while ago, and now I am starting to get more convinced, about it, :/ 

      But only time will tell if this is true or not

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    • 201.161.184.23 wrote: Yong Yea analysed this theory a while ago, and now I am starting to get more convinced, about it, :/ 

      But only time will tell if this is true or not

      He did a good video, but all the time he left out one thing -- the bolted ankles of Chico. I am no medical expert and thus can someone with such background tells us whether Chico can heal from such wound in those days to an extend he can become a sniper who needs to run from place to place constantly as in The End's battle?

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    • No in reality, Chico would've never been able to heal from those bolts being put into his Achilles Tendon. And Yong has been wrong before, many times. He's a great source of information, but don't put all your faith into his theories, or his analysis's

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    • Maybe you are right, but then again it wouldn't really surprise me if chico manages to heal from his bolted ankles, even if he doesn't become quiet (which I hope he doesn't) I don't think he will be confined to a wheel chair the rest of Pantom Pain

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    • Tell me something...if he can't walk...he could he have swam out of that helicopter crash? There's no way he could've swam, Snake and Kaz barely made it out. I highly doubt Chico could've.

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    • 201.161.184.23 wrote: Maybe you are right, but then again it wouldn't really surprise me if chico manages to heal from his bolted ankles, even if he doesn't become quiet (which I hope he doesn't) I don't think he will be confined to a wheel chair the rest of Pantom Pain

      Considering he was walking around the Hind in the ending cutscene, he most certainly did heal from his bolted ankles.

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    • He wasn't walking though, he was just standing we saw Snake had to physically move him.

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    • Jim Logan wrote: He wasn't walking though, he was just standing we saw Snake had to physically move him.

      I was talking about when he discovered the scar on Paz's gut. He definitely took a few steps just as he discovered the scar.

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    • Hmm, true.

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      Jim Logan wrote: He wasn't walking though, he was just standing we saw Snake had to physically move him.

      I was talking about when he discovered the scar on Paz's gut. He definitely took a few steps just as he discovered the scar.

      I have watched these particular scenes paying attention to the movements of his legs but his leg movements weren't shown very clearly. My perception from what was shown was that he was kneeing down while moving on the chopper floor or assisting his movement with his hands while placed on the bench, and at the point when he discovered the bomb, Snake did move him by holding him up. Does this sound agreeable to everyone?

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    • I guess..we weren't really fighting, just trying to confirm the facts.

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    • Jim Logan wrote:
      I guess..we weren't really fighting, just trying to confirm the facts.

      No, not trying to start a fight. As I said the scene itself isn't clear either, I am looking for a "making of MGSV" footage I saw earlier showing the chopper scene, I hope that gives more clues, but right now, feel free to agree or disagree if anyone sees anything sensible.

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    • Well I don't remember seeing him walking, however I am not really good at spotting the little details, :/ however like I said before, If chico survivied the explotion I think he may have recovered by the time of Phantom Pain

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Has Kojima actually retconned anything with MGSV? I thought it fit into the timeline without any alteration.

      Among the notable things 1. although the project itself began in 1972, the Les enfante terible project now has its main timeline during big boss' 9 year coma 2. big boss was apparently going by punished/venom snake, instead of big boss. 3 the prosthetic arm was first mentioned in snakes's revenge, but is now cannon. 4. miller, like big boss, has prosthetics.

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    • 174.61.66.210 wrote:

      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Has Kojima actually retconned anything with MGSV? I thought it fit into the timeline without any alteration.

      Among the notable things 1. although the project itself began in 1972, the Les enfante terible project now has its main timeline during big boss' 9 year coma 2. big boss was apparently going by punished/venom snake, instead of big boss. 3 the prosthetic arm was first mentioned in snakes's revenge, but is now cannon. 4. miller, like big boss, has prosthetics.

      Actually, no. The Les Enfants Terribles actually ended up cancelled about a year into Big Boss's coma.

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    • 174.61.66.210 wrote:
      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Has Kojima actually retconned anything with MGSV? I thought it fit into the timeline without any alteration.
      Among the notable things 1. although the project itself began in 1972, the Les enfante terible project now has its main timeline during big boss' 9 year coma 2. big boss was apparently going by punished/venom snake, instead of big boss. 3 the prosthetic arm was first mentioned in snakes's revenge, but is now cannon. 4. miller, like big boss, has prosthetics.

      The Les Enfants Terribles project still takes place in 1972. And I know there's minor details that have changed, but it still fits into the timeline without alteration. Nothing is being changed, since we never knew what BB was doing during that time.

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    • Misterbunnsy wrote:
      174.61.66.210 wrote:
      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Has Kojima actually retconned anything with MGSV? I thought it fit into the timeline without any alteration.
      Among the notable things 1. although the project itself began in 1972, the Les enfante terible project now has its main timeline during big boss' 9 year coma 2. big boss was apparently going by punished/venom snake, instead of big boss. 3 the prosthetic arm was first mentioned in snakes's revenge, but is now cannon. 4. miller, like big boss, has prosthetics.
      The Les Enfants Terribles project still takes place in 1972. And I know there's minor details that have changed, but it still fits into the timeline without alteration. Nothing is being changed, since we never knew what BB was doing during that time.

      (1) I think Kojima mentioned that there will be an explanation to the inconsistancy to Big Boss' coma and the Les Enfrante terible, so why don't we wait to see how he plays it? Bare in mind that Big Boss could have more than one coma too and each coma does not necessarily have to last years. (2) I have no comment since I haven't been following this conversation in detail. (3) what was not mentioned in teh canon doesnt mean it wasnt canon before it's being first mentioned at a later time (in terms of production sequence). (4) If I am not mistaken, prior to MGS PW (production wise), we haven't seen Miller's whole body in any MGS instalments. The MGS 1 art work would probably just be interpreted as Liquid (like how Donald Anderson was interpreted as Octopus). Also, applying the principle mentioned in (3) here, Kojima doesn't have to tell you Miller has missing limbs way back in MG2SS.

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    • 1.64.55.108 wrote:

      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      174.61.66.210 wrote:
      Misterbunnsy wrote:
      Has Kojima actually retconned anything with MGSV? I thought it fit into the timeline without any alteration.
      Among the notable things 1. although the project itself began in 1972, the Les enfante terible project now has its main timeline during big boss' 9 year coma 2. big boss was apparently going by punished/venom snake, instead of big boss. 3 the prosthetic arm was first mentioned in snakes's revenge, but is now cannon. 4. miller, like big boss, has prosthetics.
      The Les Enfants Terribles project still takes place in 1972. And I know there's minor details that have changed, but it still fits into the timeline without alteration. Nothing is being changed, since we never knew what BB was doing during that time.

      (1) I think Kojima mentioned that there will be an explanation to the inconsistancy to Big Boss' coma and the Les Enfrante terible, so why don't we wait to see how he plays it? Bare in mind that Big Boss could have more than one coma too and each coma does not necessarily have to last years. (2) I have no comment since I haven't been following this conversation in detail. (3) what was not mentioned in teh canon doesnt mean it wasnt canon before it's being first mentioned at a later time (in terms of production sequence). (4) If I am not mistaken, prior to MGS PW (production wise), we haven't seen Miller's whole body in any MGS instalments. The MGS 1 art work would probably just be interpreted as Liquid (like how Donald Anderson was interpreted as Octopus). Also, applying the principle mentioned in (3) here, Kojima doesn't have to tell you Miller has missing limbs way back in MG2SS.

      1. Actually, he said there would be an explanation regarding how Big Boss got into the coma that we see in The Phantom Pain, and he said that by the time of The Phantom Pain, he only was in one coma. Also, the coma for LET was a mistranslation. 3. Actually, Big Boss having prosthetics WAS mentioned in MG2:SS, plus the database for MGS4, although the former was a rumor that was implied to be not true. 4. a. We never see Miller at all outside of the Codec. That's a very big difference between that and Donald Anderson's situation, where we actually see him, or rather, his corpse midway through the game. And besides which, Miller was wearing a completely different outfit from Liquid, anyways. Even if we argue that he changed in military-style quickness, he'd still need a container for his other set of clothes, anyways, something that there was no evidence of. b. In either case, yes, Kojima does actually have to tell us that, as otherwise it was a retcon.

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    • 201.161.184.23 wrote:
      Yong Yea analysed this theory a while ago, and now I am starting to get more convinced, about it, :/ 

      But only time will tell if this is true or not

      Actually, I think this theory has already been debunked, since Stephanie Joosten herself confirmed Quiet as being definitely female; and also that she couldn't be Sniper Wolf either because of age differences (Sniper Wolf would still be a child by this time).

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    • Elliot Saint wrote:
      201.161.184.23 wrote:
      Yong Yea analysed this theory a while ago, and now I am starting to get more convinced, about it, :/ 

      But only time will tell if this is true or not

      Actually, I think this theory has already been debunked, since Stephanie Joosten herself confirmed Quiet as being definitely female; and also that she couldn't be Sniper Wolf either because of age differences (Sniper Wolf would still be a child by this time)}

      Yeah that sounds good, besides I am not a big fan of the theory and really hope that it isn't true

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    • 175.159.163.39 wrote:
      Jim Logan wrote:
      I guess..we weren't really fighting, just trying to confirm the facts.
      No, not trying to start a fight. As I said the scene itself isn't clear either, I am looking for a "making of MGSV" footage I saw earlier showing the chopper scene, I hope that gives more clues, but right now, feel free to agree or disagree if anyone sees anything sensible.

      The Japanese version of the game has different camera angles for the scene in the helicopter. maybe look there for a better angle.

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    • Elliot Saint wrote:
      201.161.184.23 wrote:
      Yong Yea analysed this theory a while ago, and now I am starting to get more convinced, about it, :/ 

      But only time will tell if this is true or not

      Actually, I think this theory has already been debunked, since Stephanie Joosten herself confirmed Quiet as being definitely female; and also that she couldn't be Sniper Wolf either because of age differences (Sniper Wolf would still be a child by this time).

      Yeah probably, though I do find the round about way she stated it rather weird; "Chico is definitely male and Quiet is definitely female". It almost sounded like she intentionally avoided saying they are two completely different characters. Therefore it could technically still be possible that they are the same character, but different persona.

      I'm not saying I believe this is the truth though; it's more likely Stephanie just happened to make that statement in order to debunk the theory and didn't give possible misinterpretation any further thought. I'm just pointing out another possible angle to the statement she made.

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    • I'd say she is most probably legitimately new character. Tough the new sneak a peak clip of her special powers (which so far looked like some sort different form of stealth camo) kinda made me think of Night Fright for some reason. Kojima hasn't really reused any of the boss characters from the MSX Metal Gears though, so i wouldn't bet on it. Nevertheless it would be kinda cool and fitting considering Night Fright was the only human boss in Metal Gears that never talked and as it always had stealt camo on no one saw it and you basically knew little to nothing about it.

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