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  • During the Events of MGSPW, in peacewalker battle2, inside the AI POD, The Boss' AI talks to Big Boss stating that she's been waiting for him and watched him when he was born and grew up. Even some might say the philosophers seperated and hid all facts about The Boss' baby and she could've never known about the child anyway. But The Boss being so talented and all, and stating that her body is willing to live for her child, she would've found all about her child. And hey! who knows, the philosophers themselves might've put Naked Snake in his 15th age in the battlefield to be acquinted with The Boss, thinking that she would train him well and she'll never know that she's actually his mum. But they were wrong. She knew it all the way.

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    • Yeah! That's why she didn't care about Ocelot and cared more for Naked snake. The philosophers might've tried to spread misinformation and even convinced EVA about ocelot being taken from battlefield.

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    • Even she felt Naked snake would suffer for entire lifetime about him killing The Boss. That's why she informed EVA to reveal the truth that she alone is responsible for her death and not Big Boss. Motherly affection stays strong even after knowing that she'll be long gone aftershe's dead and nothing matters after you're dead.

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    • May be Sorrow would've known that Big Boss is his son. That's why he appears as an apparition near Naked snake and not cared a bit hell for Ocelot.

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    • Even Strangelove might've known all along that Big Boss is The Boss's Child that's why she decided to stick with Big Boss after the incident of MGSPW. To Analyze The Boss's Characters and traits in the form of Big Boss and also to honor The Boss by being alongside Big Boss. And She might've also heard the AI POD speaking to him about she(The Boss) being watched him on birth and while growing up and she realized for certain that Big Boss is The Boss's child. If she would've known it before, Big Boss would not have supposed to endure such pain in the Torture Chamber.

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    • Though the CIA handed over all data about The Boss, they would've never got hold of the information about The Boss's child and Strangelove didn't know about it either previously. The Boss' AI once completed by strangelove, would've tried to gather data by hacking all secret data from the world(as part of making decisions with a retaliatory strike) and would've gotten information about The Boss' child that's why, the AI made sure that she's been watching him all along from birth, growing up and stuff.

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    • 27.251.25.170 wrote: May be Sorrow would've known that Big Boss is his son. That's why he appears as an apparition near Naked snake and not cared a bit hell for Ocelot.

      In all fairness, though, they DID intend to have the Sorrow accompany Ocelot during Volgin's battle, but it got changed to his accompanying The Boss instead.

      I'm doubtful that The Sorrow was Big Boss's father, though, as it really doesn't match up at all with the facts stated in MGS3 and Peace Walker, or even Pre-E3 2013. For starters, in Snake Eater, it was established that Naked Snake was a Korean War veteran and a Green Beret. Considering that The Boss gave birth to her child during the invasion of Normandy (June 1944), that would mean Big Boss would have participated in the Korean War when he was barely even nine at the oldest, not to mention he would be nineteen during Operation Snake Eater, which would mean Big Boss would be an illegal soldier. Probably the biggest problem with this theory, however, is that both Zadornov and even either Hideo Kojima or Kiefer Sutherland pretty much stated that Big Boss was born roughly a decade before that period. Specifically, Zadornov when about to gun down Big Boss in cold blood and remarking on the irony that Big Boss was to meet the same fate as Che Guevara down to the smallest detail, explicitly stated that Big Boss was 39 years old at that time of the events of that game, and either Kojima or Sutherland stated that Big Boss during TPP would have been 49 years old at the time.

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    • But one thing that bugged me is that the fact the "Self Defence Mechanism" controlled by the reptile pod when tried to attack Big Boss, why didn't the Mammal Pod didn't take control and stop the action and tell Big Boss to Go Home "Go Home Jack!". May be Stragelove designed Peacewalker's mammal Pod to only Influence the Retaliatory strike decision and nuke launching decision. But on the other hand the reptile pod is completely designed for Self-Defence and doing what Coldman Ordered it to do. and Mammal Pod is also restricted and modified to a tiny extent by Strangelove Otherwise Peacewalker would not retaliate and instead stayput if it works as an alter ego of The Boss. The Loyalty to the mission part is drawn a boundary restricting only the mission as the utmost objective rather than taking into consideration that the world as a whole is the utmost Objective

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    • The fact that Zadornov mentions that Big Boss is 39 years old during PW incident goes well with the previous events in Normandy invasion 1944. Add up Big Boss's age with Normandy invasion and that should leave us with 1983 being the assumed year of PW Incident. Then we have the fact that cecile used a Portable Casette player cum recorder "Sony walkman TPS L-2" for recording Quetzals' song. The Player is launched in June 1980 in US and UK. Cecile is from france/paris/europe and most probably she would've got it in UK for research purposes. She might've got it a year or two after it was launched. She might've used the recorder for some long time. Then she got captured while gettin to costa rica. We don't really know how long it took before Paz/Zadornov/Zero got hold of the recorder from CIA Mercs to involve Bigboss with the PW incident. So take that also into account. The other facts about being a korean war veteran still conflicts with the theory. may be some other explanation can help

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    • 27.251.25.170 wrote: The fact that Zadornov mentions that Big Boss is 39 years old during PW incident goes well with the previous events in Normandy invasion 1944. Add up Big Boss's age with Normandy invasion and that should leave us with 1983 being the assumed year of PW Incident. Then we have the fact that cecile used a Portable Casette player cum recorder "Sony walkman TPS L-2" for recording Quetzals' song. The Player is launched in June 1980 in US and UK. Cecile is from france/paris/europe and most probably she would've got it in UK for research purposes. She might've got it a year or two after it was launched. She might've used the recorder for some long time. Then she got captured while gettin to costa rica. We don't really know how long it took before Paz/Zadornov/Zero got hold of the recorder from CIA Mercs to involve Bigboss with the PW incident. So take that also into account. The other facts about being a korean war veteran still conflicts with the theory. may be some other explanation can help

      Except Peace Walker is explicitly stated to be in 1974.

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    • "watched him when he was born and grew up"

      Do you mean when she says "I've been waiting, Snake, for a long time. Waiting for your birth, your growth, and the finality of today."? That dialogue is from MGS3. She says it around the time of their final battle. It has nothing to do with his actual birth. It represents her longing for a successor to take her place. Now that Snake is taking the burden of the fate of the world on his own shoulders, she can finally die.

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    • Snake being "the son of the Boss" (as stated by Volgin) and she waiting for his birth and his growth are only figures of speech: birth and growth *as a soldier*. She is a mother to him the same way she is "the mother of special forces", that's all. She was born in 1922, Snake was born in 1935, The Boss's son was born in 1944 and that baby is Ocelot. It's made very clear in MGS3 if you pay attention. Also, the graphics: have you ever noticed how much young Ocelot looks like the Joy and old Ocelot looks like The Sorrow? Last but not least, take a look [[1]]

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    • it's impossible anyways, The Boss was born in 1922 and Big Boss in 1935, that would make her 13 when she gives birth to him. Not to mention that The Boss gives birth in 1944, 9 years after Big Boss is born.

      I realize it can be fun to specuilate, but this is rather impossible.

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