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Weedle McHairybug

aka Eric Otness

31,026 Edits since joining this wiki
November 4, 2009
  • I live in Dunwoody, Georgia
  • I was born on February 14
  • My occupation is College Student
  • I am Male

Archived talk pages Edit

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Your talk page Edit

Ever consider arhciving some of this page, Weedle? It's getting REAALLLLLLY long. 02:26, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'd archive it if I knew how to. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:37, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
You can archive it by creating a page linked to your user account, e.g. User:Weedle McHairybug/archive 1, and transferring all the old content to it. You could also provide a link to it on your current talk page for reference. You can create multiple archive pages this way should you need them. See here for more. --Bluerock (talk) 08:05, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey are you on MGSF, because i've seen someone there with the same name and was wondering if that was you?

Yep, that was me, although I'm most likely going to be very rarely attending that site since my computer was the victim of a major virus attack twice, and my computer is still recovering, and I suspect that site is the culprit. At best, I'll visit via my cell phone. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:10, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Weedle, hope you don't mind but I archived some of your talk page since it's gotten so big (about 1/4 GB). I posted links below so you can still view them if need be. Any problems, please let me know. --Bluerock (talk) 23:40, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

MG and MG2: SS Edit

I saw that you edited something a while ago, saying that some fans think Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 are no longer canon. How could this possibly be? I know there are a lot of retcons (Grey Fox's backstory, Big Boss being Snake's father, etc.) but how could they possibly have become non canon? 14:53, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's largely regarding remakes and some of the retcons, yes. But there were also some citations besides the retcons, such as claiming that the Previous Operations missions decided to only focus on the key elements, and there were even some hints that some of the stuff in MSX2 games did not actually happen such as destroying switchboards with remote control missiles (Snake reacts to the whole concept in MGS when Deepthroat contacts him as if he wasn't actually aware of such a method, as users like Violet Lee pointed out in the GameFAQs boards). A good example would be Ben Reilly's post here (last post on the page). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:12, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Anderson edit Edit

By not "falling in line with their plans" the said incident did not pan out how the Patriots had intended (namely the leaking of details of the incident, Snake becoming a hero, etc.). It does not refute any involvement they may have had in REX's initial development. Therefore, that mention in MGS2 is not relevant to Anderson's page. Hope this makes the reason for my edit more clear. --Bluerock (talk) 22:44, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the codec conversations. Edit

Good to know Snake is mentioned (albeit as "someone"). I told you Madnar was not Doktor. Totally different ethnic backgrounds. Last time I checked, Russians weren't called "doktors". Anyway, I'm surprised saving via codec is back. I also hope Rosemary and John are at least mentioned in the game.

By the way, I didn't know the player could call Campbell about the pigeon's note in MG2. When did you manage to finally play the game? 20:28, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the list is still not complete, even by demo standards. The calls for the LQ-84I battle obviously aren't present. I actually was considering not doing the calls (they were on Youtube, and at the time, I didn't want to support Google especially after you-know-who won the election, but still...). I only thought it was Madnar as I said before because the guy who said that line said it that seemed similar to a Russian accent. Thankfully, the demo sort of cleaned up the delivery.
As for when I played MG2:SS, I didn't. I actually found it on a playthrough a while back. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
I never said the list is complete. Anyway, you're anti-Obama? News to me. He's not the worst president who ever existed. He did get Osama and pulled our troops out of Iraq. Oh well, at least he gave you an award once. , 23:07, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, it was never in person. Anyways, I got the award simply because of my grades, nothing more. I'm anti-Obama largely because he's pro abortion. It also doesn't help that he wants to implement socialism in our country and quite frankly is also ruining our country. I'm Pro-Life, so I'm naturally against Abortion. BTW, if you have the demo, can you insert any Codec calls from the LQ-84I battle? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:17, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
I don't have the demo. I didn't even know it came out. 13:52, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


To answer your question, the article that you edited was meant for OPTIONAL Codec conversations (meaning, Codec calls that are entirely skippable). Mandatory Codec calls where the player has absolutely no control over when they appear, such as LQ-84I's conversation with Raiden shortly after its defeat, are not qualified for the article. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:27, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Did you see the new video of raiden battling Ray?

Yep. As a matter of fact, I actually added in the information from the video when I had the first opportunity. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:44, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Doktor's real name Edit

Pay some attention to the Japanese sites then. The MGR site was relaunched yesterday and Doktor's real name is mentioned in his character profile (本名ヴィルヘルム・フォークト). Arkhound (talk) 16:18, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that out after posting. Thanks anyway. Let's hope the MGR English site is relaunched soon, especially seeing how it constantly redirects to Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:40, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: BTW, can you add in anything about Courtney or Kevin Washington into their articles from that site? I'd do it myself, but Bing's translator is basically a mess, hugely broken sentences and almost illegible. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:45, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Recent edits.Edit

First yes I am hideo second my mistake

hey! Make sure you Buy Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance  on February 21

Okay, I guess that works.
Also, we try to make our edits based on stuff stated in the games as well as anything you or your staff stated, so we take our edits on this wiki very seriously.
Speaking of anything you say, can you give us a full verison of any of your commentary from Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 4/Portable Ops, Metal Gear Solid 3, and possibly Peace Walker? Muni Shinobu (the guy who usually tries to do translations of your commentary for those games) went off the radar before they were even completed (and in the case of Peace Walker, before even starting on it).
And I can't buy Revengeance since I don't have a PS3 or an XBox 360 (I'm more of a Nintendo guy, really). Now, if it came out for PC, I might consider buying it, though I'm not too keen with killing. Judeo-Christian morals and all, you know.
Oh, and next time you use a talk page or a user talk, use four tildes (ie: four "~"s), or just click on the signature button. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:50, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

The Raiden Article and Character Pictures in GeneralEdit

On the Raiden there is a section entitled 'Showdown at Colorado' in which quite the plot leak is detailed. If this information is reliable then I suggest we leave it on the page however this will likely need to be referenced or at the very least we must try to contact the editor who added this to find where he obtained this information.

In addition to this I think we should discuss the character images above the characters info box and how a majority of them are artwork rather than CG images. I think that a CG image with a white background would be more appropriate should we have it for that specific character.TheRainTransformed (talk) 15:56, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

I got the information relating to Showdown at Colorado here:
As for the claim that Raiden reverted to his Jack the Ripper personality, it was heavily implied in promotional materials, as well as confirmed by the developers, that Raiden will revert to his Jack the Ripper persona. THe article I linked to implies that the time he surrenders himself to his Jack the Ripper identity was while fighting Sam. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:07, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Where I got the Revengeance imagesEdit

I apologise for not replying and not acting on your suggestion to upload the pictures instead of the ones you uploaded but I have been busy and unfortunately I still am. Though should you feel it completely necessary to upload the images then here is the site I obtained them from but more specifically here is the article. May I suggest bookmarking this site as although it is french, the site appears to get exclusives and information quicker than any other fansite I've found.TheRainTransformed (talk) 15:56, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Apology about Kojima.Edit

i apoligize for the trouble me and my friend caused I dared him to Make a Hideo Kojima account and mess with people

You'll need to apologize to Bluerock as well. Just don't do it again. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:37, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

RE: MGS2 underwater mines Edit

MGS2 underwater mine
BluerockAdded by Bluerock

Sorry for the delay, but I finally uploaded a pic of the underwater mine from MGS2. Obviously, you can only find them underwater, so the image isn't 100% perfect.

--Bluerock (talk) 14:46, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's better than nothing. Thanks, BTW. I'll add it to the appropriate article. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:48, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 23:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hey hows it goin? now I just checked out the monsoon page and eithier Im insane or he threw a helicopter at raiden in the picture Could you help me out?

Thanks I will be sure to correct my mistakes. I just got really excited and started to type really fast when I saw more info about Metal Gear Rising that I could share with The MG wiki

That's all right. Happens to all of us. BTW, I know the achievements have pictures of them, but can we at least wait until the game is released before we jump the gun on the enemies names, particularly the Canard Rotor/Wing's name being Hammerhead? We still don't know too much about it, so we can't really jump the gun just yet, even with the images from the achievements/trophy lists. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:08, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah ok ok fine. But to be honest of you zoom in to the picture It does look like a helicopter

Warwolf001 (talk) 09:28, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey think about the helicopter this way, Look at the canard arangements, as well as the small fins and the tail of the aircraft right? and Look at how much ass it kicks That Is why the chopper is most likely named the hammerhead

Warwolf001 (talk) 22:22, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I am making a Adobe flash game about The Canard Rotor/Wing from MGS4 except it is going to have a different story line it wont have anything to do with MGS i just picked that aircraft model if you have any ideas like enemy aircraft, boss battles, etc Let me know

To be honest, there's little information I can provide regarding the aircraft model other than what is covered in-game and the limited real life information on it thanks to it being a scrapped aircraft. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:25, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

What's does "right hand man" and "lieutenant" mean?Edit

Snake said that Ocelot was Liquid's "right hand man" and Campbell said Gray Fox was Big Boss' most trusted "lieutenant". 16:44, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

It effectively meant that they were second in command or the most trusted ranked officer among them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:45, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I know the X-50 was scrapped. But If You could think of any aircraft that does not exist that would be cool

MGS2 Scope Edit

I already have BradyGames strategy guides for both MGS2 and Substance and I couldn't see any mention of binoculars in the Tanker chapter. --Bluerock (talk) 16:35, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I'll work on redoing some things now. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:38, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
There's always the possibility that it was said by someone else during the Plant Chapter, but I have yet to come across it. --Bluerock (talk) 16:39, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Things I likeEdit

I like...

  • ...Gray Fox
  • ...The Boss
  • ...Pizza
  • ...Video Games
  • ...Anime and Cartoons
  • ...Food 04:36, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, you could try The Boss Fan_____ (insert your gender here) or The Boss with a string of random numbers there. You could also try the same for Gray Fox. Since your username is applicable to any Wikia upon joining, you could try characters from places besides Metal Gear as well. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:37, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wiki-wordmark.png changeEdit

Hey, Weedle,

I was wondering if we could change the wiki-wordmark to something more... stylish. Like this with black font instead. I think it would be a bit... more appealing to users of the wiki than the current, which isn't correct actually (all of the letters should be in caps, similar to the MGS2 logo). So, how about it? Vanoden (talk) 03:08, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not actually in charge of the site, so I really can't comment one way or another. You could try Bluerock, Fantomas (whenever he's available) or Soul Reaper's input, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Kevin VA Edit

What do you mean "just in case," is it not confirmed? --Bluerock (talk) 19:02, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the person who first supplied the VA information for both Courtney and Kevin did not supply a source, and I couldn't find any sources on it. When I requested for a source, most of the people who confirmed that Courtney and Kevin were voiced by Wahlgren and LaMarr, respectively, they implied that their confirmation was simply due to vocal recognition, and not any officially documented confirmation. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:11, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 17:00, January 25, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

Hey I found out what the raptor is chek out the page i just made its cool

The poster writes STEVEN Thanashs (talk) 22:53, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, moved it back to Steven (can't believe I forgot about that, even with my near-identic memory). I also made sure to note the inconsistency in the BTS section. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:06, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the achievements.Edit

I didn't expect Armstrong to be the final boss of Rising. I thought he was just an ad character. I expected Sam or Sundowner to be the final boss. Anyway, I hope Rosemary and John's absences are explained. It doesn't look like they will be in the game. 15:36, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Koreikado did mention in a press release for Rising back in 2012 that Raiden joined Maverick to support his family. That doesn't quite explain after Africa, though, since he definitely has more than just family support to work with Maverick after that. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:45, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 19:36, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Im not sure I care. this wiki needs some funny content once in a while.

dont take it the wrong way but there really is nothing wrong with a picture of sundowner with the words U mad bro below him.

Warwolf001 (talk) 21:03, February 1, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

\Christ man... pay attention to the pictures and Videos the helicopters name is Hammerhead google it.

I know that's what Revengeance calls it. However, the article is still titled "Canard/Rotor Vehicle," and even if it's official name is indeed "Hammerhead," that doesn't mean it isn't a nickname in-universe. Remember the Gekko? That's their official name, yet in-universe, that's actually a nickname, while their actual name is IRVING. One last thing, try actually posting the topic header before making a comment unless it directly relates to the actual topic subject you're commenting on. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hammerhead Blueprints. [1]Edit

I saw a page with one little cutaway on the wikia and I made a few modifications/additions and uploaded so people can see the full model of the craft.

Hammerhead Blueprints.Edit

yes I do.

Warwolf001 (talk) 02:15, February 3, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

Hammerhead Blueprints.Edit

I just added the sensor on the left and Searchlight on the bottom of the aircraft. and I slightly highlited the engines and main rotor.

Hammerhead BlueprintsEdit

I didnt fully translate everything... yet.

Where's the Answer? Edit

Hey buddy yeah. I hate to tell you uh but you or anybody else haven't figure out how many cutscenes they are in the first 6 MGS games or how long it would take to watch them all. I think I asked this four years ago.Yeah it doesn't matter anymore since it's not that important anymore. Just letting you know.R.S 00:56, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I did try to jot down the cutscenes for MGS2, but before I could submit it, I got cut off, and I wasn't even able to copy the stuff so I could copy and paste it down. After that, I just gave up. Man, I kinda wish there were inuse tags for this site. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:59, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

File names Edit

Hey Weedle, next time you upload any images, can you please give them some meaningful names? This makes it easier to organize them. Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 18:03, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait, I had to get to campus a bit earlier than usual, and as it's Tuesday, I had to take about three hours worth of classes non-stop.
Anyways, regarding giving them meaningful names, I usually try to keep the images under their original names to make it a bit easier to track down where I got them from in case someone asks. However, I might rename them since I get enough requests/moves for them anyway. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:18, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
You can always put the source directly on the image's page. In fact, we should be doing this for all images, but we haven't been very good in this department as a wiki. --Bluerock (talk) 17:56, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, we can always start, although regarding directly linking the image to the source, that will be a problem for webpages that have long been archived or deleted, such as the MGO shop. BTW, speaking of file names, I discovered a program for retrieving files from even Solid State Drives, which means that, assuming it does do what it states it will do, it will at least retrieve most of my files, including my MGO images, from my cloned drive. However, that probably won't happen until possibly Winter 2012, as I have a lot of college work to do in the meantime (three to four essays to write, plus doing a powerpoint presentation, and possibly studying for at least two future tests, including listening to listening exercises and jotting down answers to questions, all before Spring Break on March, plus I most likely have to take summer courses so I'll be caught up and possibly have most of my classes out of the way before Fall 2012, and then finish up the remainder until I can hopefully graduate), contact a friend I know who knows a lot about computers so he can investigate the program before I can even hope to accomplish this. If I get my files back (which, given that I was near max-capacity prior to the crash, and even with the files I accumulated afterwards and right now, the files I have don't come close to the amount needed to delete most of my files if I save over them, meaning I'll at the very least retrieve most of my files if it does what it is implied to do). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:07, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
It's not that important if sites are currently offline, as long as this is also noted (and webpage archives can sometimes be linked to as well). Regarding the retrieval of your other files, it's better to focus on your studies, no doubt, so don't worry too much about it. --Bluerock (talk) 18:20, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm probably going to focus on my studies, so I can get out of College at Fall 2013 at the earliest. I'm not too trusting of my teachers right now, since I had to put up with some really bad teachers in the past. For example, my Chaucer class was run by a guy who seems to praise second-wave feminism, bashed Catholicism down to the ground at any opportunity he could get by claiming they were the founders of misogyny and the like, loves free sex, and seems to espouse socialistic beliefs, sometimes focusing more on that than the actual work itself. I did not sign up for a college course to be indoctrinated like at a POW camp, but unforunately, several professors were like that in my college experience. I'm giving this semester a chance, and so far there doesn't seem to be agendas being pushed (though I am getting an inkling that something may be pushed). However, if I get the sense they are pushing one of those agendas again, then graduation in Fall 2013 or not, I'm staying out of college. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:46, February 8, 2013 (UTC)


Warwolf001 (talk) 17:32, February 8, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

Yeah that would also work...

I said Ragine raven from MgS4 like sliders ;) Thanashs (talk) 18:00, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

How you know that if you beat the game under 3 hours Armstrong will say an alternate dialogue ? Thanashs (talk) 12:55, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I learned it from someone on GameFAQs. Specifically, here: Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Irish vs GaelicEdit

Hi, I'm just writing in response to an edit you made wherein you cited "Adding appropriate language name. Irish is the name of the nationality. Gaelic is the name of the language." as the reason. (The page has been updated since to "Gaeilge")

This is a common misconception. The Celtic language spoken in Ireland is usually called "Irish" in English. "Gaelic" technically speaking is not a language in itself but a group of three Celtic languages: Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx. The English-language version of the Irish constitution lists "Irish" as the first official language of Ireland and students take exams in "Irish".  The European Union has "Irish" as one of its official languages. These days "Gaelic" to refer to Irish is considered something of an Americanism. 18:18, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not even close to Monsoon yet. Edit

I'm close to fighting Mistral. Looks like you don't need me though. You managed to find the codec conversation about Sundowner online. I'm trying to find as many codec conversations as I can while playing. The game is not as short as people say. Anyway, I hope you at least manage to play Ghost Babel one day. You said you were a Nintendo fan.

Oh. and I find it strange how N'mani's advisor just disappeared when the limo was attacked. I guess he could have escaped with Courtney. 15:32, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

I found a video walkthrough that was also dedicated to showing Codec calls from the game. They were lacking in Chapter R-01 to some extent, but they did cover a mother lode of them in Chapter R-02, even some that technically took place in R-01 (Hence where I found the Sundowner Codec). And I actually was planning on getting Ghost Babel, although actually getting it will take some time especially given College, as well as finding some passwords for eBay, and if necessary, Amazon. If not that, I guess I could always make a drive to a video game swap store downtown. I wouldn't be surprised if both Courtney and N'mani's advisor got caught in RAY's blasting the limousene, especially since one Codec call implied that Courtney was caught in that, but survived due to its armored nature. Might as well also get the Piggyback guide for Rising, maybe also get both the regular and collector's edition simply for comparison purposes in the event that they for some reason decide to do articles based on gaming manuals on the wiki (Hey, Wookieepedia does it). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:52, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fido was a real dog? Edit

News to me. I've heard the name used as sarcasm before. In Grand Theft Auto 3 for example. 16:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. I searched for any meanings for Fido on Wikipedia, and I found it. It's here, if you're curious: wikipedia:Fido (dog). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. As for Armstrong, I never said you lied. Unfortunately, the strategy guide doesn't mention an alternate ending and I have yet to find it on You Tube. The only time Raiden can knock out enemies is while controlling one of the Tripods. 16:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
Not truem using the wooden swords will knock out human enemies 8-Bit Jack (talk) 21:27, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

The "training." Edit

Since Foxhound no longer exists, I do wonder who were the other people he was "training" with. He never once says the group never existed. 16:52, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

They're either other candidates with the S3 Plan that the Patriots considered who were led to believe that they were chosen into FOXHOUND, or they were playing along with the charade to keep Raiden under the belief that he actually was in FOXHOUND. Probably the only thing that doesn't make any sense is why Solid Snake all of a sudden recanted in MGS4 and claimed Raiden was a FOXHOUND member? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:55, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
While the original FOXHOUND was disbanded, it did continue to exist after a fashion, as a virtual unit created by the Patriots. It wouldn't surprise me if there were other trainees in the program, with Raiden ultimately being selected for the Big Shell mission. --Bluerock (talk) 21:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Telekinesis? Edit

Could you please provide the codec conversation about the Beauty and The Beast having that power while hugging Snake?

I only know about the Codec conversation due to an edit another anon made to the BATB article. You can try to track him down. I'm not sure if its even on Youtube or anywhere. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Codec Edit

Haven't heard anything on that subject yet, no. From what I've heard there are 540 (!) Codec conversations in the game, I haven't yet got the trophy (which requires you hear 400 of them) but I'm working through trying to hear them all. Evil Tim (talk) 18:28, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, good luck getting them all. Oh, and when you do get them all, can you make sure to add in all of the Codec conversations to the Rising Codec page (that is, the ones that aren't already added in beforehand)? Also, be sure to notify me regarding whether or not Raikov is mentioned at all (whether by Boris or anyone else). I want to make some edits to Raikov's article, but I'm unwilling to make the edits until I'm absolutely certain Raikov is not mentioned at all. Don't want to prematurely state that Raikov isn't mentioned at all if he was in fact mentioned, after all. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:39, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
I got the trophy. Raikov is never mentioned at all. Dr. Clark and Colonel Gurlukovich are mentioned once. Otacon is mentioned several times. Raiden confirmed to Courtney that Otacon became Sunny's legal guardian. Snake is mentioned in conversations about Sliders and Dwarf Gekkos. -- 13:13, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
So you got at least 400 trophies. Did you get all 540? Until I know beyond any doubt that you, Evil Tim or anyone else got all 540 Codec calls and there isn't a single mention of Raikov anywhere, I cannot make any edits regarding the information I wish to post. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:21, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
No, not even close to 540. I think the guide may have made a mistake by saying 540 instead of 440. It's impossible to use the codec during VR missions or the prologue. 13:27, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
Wait, are you saying you GOT all of the Codec calls or you DIDN'T get all of the Codec calls? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:48, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
Are you seriously that slow? I said I got the trophy meaning I got MOST of the Codec calls. Not all of them. 14:14, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
No, no. I got that you got the trophy which meant that you got most of the Codec calls, at least, but your next reply made it ambiguous as to whether you actually did or not, as you both said that you "weren't even close" to getting all of them, but then claimed that the game's amount was closer to 100 less than what the guide indicated, implying that you might have been very close by at least 40 Codec calls, if not having received all of them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:40, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I got the trophy during the Pakistan mission after the first ranked battle. There are maybe 30 optional calls after that. I guess some of the codec calls I missed might be if Raiden fails to save the four civilians throughout the game and if he decides not to save the game while calling Courtney. 15:00, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, he confirmed that the beauties do cause fire with their hands. Edit

Which I can also confirm. That's it. 22:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Then what was that editor talking about regarding the Codec stating that the Beauties causing Snake to burn, and Rosemary telling him they had telekinetic powers? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:45, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
What was that guy in Gamefaqs talking about Armstrong saying Raiden was an American and number 1? 22:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
I asked about that, and (s)he said that it was after Raiden defeats him. I'll ask this user then. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:50, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, Otacon and Rosemary don't talk about fire or powers during the Octopus fight. I double checked. Maybe they say it during the other fights. 22:54, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I requested for the original editor to supply a video and transcript of those Codec calls. We'll see soon enough. Just so you know, he's the same editor who made significant progress in the Metal Gear Online-related edits. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:58, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

A question for you Edit

Why can't you use Youtube? Is it blocked in your country or something?

Actually, I can and HAVE been using it recently (In fact, that's where I got some of the Codec conversations in Rising from). However, some recent business policies of their owner Google (such as dealing with that Communist/pseudo-capitalist country, China, as well as donating to the Obama campaign) leave me reluctant to use any of Google's services. Besides, until my computer is back to status quo, I'm not willing to log in to Google for any reason, and its also a bit of a hotbed for virus activity. Considering what happened last October to my computer, I'm unwilling to put my computer at risk. The only reason I'm still using Microsoft is because I still have school to worry about. Until I'm out of school and have a good six months to utilize Linux software (not to mention back everything up into the cloud including recovered stuff), I can't get away from Microsoft for a while. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:05, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gekko Page Edit

Hello. I hope that my edits meet with the satisfaction of the site's administrators. I just found the previous version to be rather too compact and missing important details I observed when I played MGS4, such as Gekko not harming civilians. I do not know if I can be of much use here, though, as I in fact know very little about MGS. I did get some idea of the whole story from reading accounts of it online. The first time I played an MGS game was early last year. It was MGS3 HD. This game remains the single BEST game I have EVER played. MGS4 remains a close second. 

Thank you for adding details that, due to my general ignorance, I left out.


HighOnDefinition (talk) 12:52, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I haven't played much Metal Gear myself (I only played Twin Snakes, Portable Ops, Portable Ops Plus, Peace Walker, and Snake Eater 3D), but I did do my research anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Outer Heaven Edit

I recieved your message but one thing is MSF was part of the Outer Heaven because BIG BOSS wanted his whole army take control. Also he wanted solidiers without boaders this his speech about his Outer Heaven. "We will forsake our countries. We will leave our motherlands behind us and become one with this earth. We have no nation, no philosophy, no ideology. We go where we're we needed, fighting not for country, not for government, but ourselves. We need no reason to fight. We fight because we are needed. We will be the detterent for those with no other recourse. We are soldiers without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in. We will sometimes have to sell ourselves and services. If the times demand it, we'll be revolutionaries, criminals, terrorists. And yes, we may all straighted to hell. But what better place for us than this? It's our only home. Our heaven and our hell. This is Outer Heaven." BIG BOSS speech in Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker. This is Fatalshotone message me back please    

Yeah, I understood that. However, you shouldn't have removed the uniform. The MSF was present during the 1970s. The one you removed was from the 1990s. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:54, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Outer Heaven Uniform 1990s Edit

Okay but how would you know if that regional of the Outer Heaven uniform? Because I disagree. Also the symbol is the MSF even though it doesn't have name Outer Heaven its still represents them. Please message me back please 

We know because that's the uniform Snake had to use to enter the second building of Outer Heaven's fortress in South Africa, by disguising himself as one of the officers. And they also have another symbol used during the 1990s (the winged skull with the left-facing swastika). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:02, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

The winged skull with the left-facing swastika Edit

I disagree with that because Outer Heaven doesn't represent anything got to with swastika. The people believe its about Nazi's but its not Outer Heaven is just meceneray group nothing go to do with Nazi's or anything like that. Thats why I disagree with the winged skill with left facing swastika symbol. Please message me back.

Hey, I disagree with it as well (plus, technically, it's not the same swastika as the Nazis, anyway. The Nazis utilized the right-facing one. Outer Heaven used the left-facing one). Unfortunately, what we think of it doesn't matter, what matters is that its official, so like it or not, we still have to use that as the logo. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:14, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I think the swastika (The proper one, not the Nazi one) is perfect for Outer Heaven. It symbolizes peace and unity, the very concept of Outer Heaven. 04:26, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Portable Ops's canonicity. Edit

Kojima finally confirmed it's canon? Great news. 19:26, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think he confirmed it a while back in a KojiPro podcast. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:16, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

misc locations Edit

I'm moving to split all the "miscellaneous" pages as they are too large and broad in scope. The Garzburg omission was a simple error. --Bluerock (talk) 21:14, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I understood that you were moving the pages. I was just surprised that you would move Garzburg to Europe or omit it altogether. Oh well, at least I moved that to the appropriate area. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:16, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Good catch on the crying wolf page: I confess I only made the change to check for competence on the wiki. Pretty funny goof on Konami's part, though 8-Bit Jack (talk) 21:26, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Spiritual Technology... Edit

The term スピリチュアルテクノロジー is used in the in-game description, which can also be found on the DLC section of the Japanese site. I don't think they actually describe what "spiritual technology" is or how it works. Arkhound (talk) 22:51, March 25, 2013 (UTC)


I'm glad to also see I'm not the only one surprised by Che Guevara getting a lot of support by Big Boss, Miller, Amanda and Chico in Peace Walker. I'm no expert in history but I thought Che was a terrorist. Granted he didn't destroy the Twin Towers but still. 18:05, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, he didn't, but he did come close to an event in New York that would have made even 9/11 seem like a Sunday Picnic (and that's no easy thing to say). Basically, he planned something called the Black Friday Massacre, where he and his cohorts would detonate explosives at Macys and other stores in New York during Black Friday (the day after Thanksgiving), and would have succeeded had the FBI not tracked down the explosives. Had he succeeded, and had the FBI not been able to stop his plan, I can guarantee you that the terrorist attack would have claimed much more lives than even al Qaida's 9/11 could have dreamed of. The guy should have been remembered as the most complete monster of our time, not the most complete man. Speaking of that statement, did you know that the guy who came up with that phrase and name, Satre, was a Communist in bed with the KGB, and that he was also responsible alongside Castro for that "myth" on Che (more accurately a lie)? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:07, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


I sincerely hope it's him. We never did get an answer to his fate after Portable Ops. At least with Johnny, him being mentioned in the present tense in Peace Walker and the concept art for his planned appearance in MGS4 confirms that he survived Grozny Grad's destruction. 14:05, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, let's hope. I don't really like loose ends, so I hope that guy is Raikov and he is given a definite fate in this game. I still wonder how he caught on fire, though, assuming it is him that is (then again, assuming he's the guy who pointed a gun at Snake when Mantis was nearby, that may be the reason). Similarly, I hope they also give a hint to Python's fate either in this game or in a future game. Regarding Johnny, Volgin must have been in a really merciful mood if he let Johnny live after Snake escaped, considering that he threatened Johnny with execution if he failed to keep Snake alive or prevent his escape. Then again, he let the Ocelot Unit live despite their quite clearly failing to capture Sokolov when they had the chance. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:11, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. As for the other characters, I doubt Cecile is still a member of the MSF by the events of Ground Zeroes. She's not a fighter. Amanda is probably fighting in Nicaragua. Don't know about Strangelove though. -- 14:41, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
The ending of Peace Walker does imply that she at least marrys Huey in the future, although that's still unconfirmed. If true, she most likely survived. Regarding Cecile, she may not be a fighter, but Cecile was at least implied to be a scout and cook during Peace Walker, if we buy the briefing tapes and Paz's diaries. If she either escaped or wasn't even at Mother Base, she's probably back in Paris, France. Who knows, she may be Holly White's french mother who was alluded to in her bio in MG2. Since Miller doesn't seem to be with Snake during the Phantom Pain (by that, I mean the awakening sequence, as its still implied to be two different games by Boor), I suspect that the coma is where they parted ways. And Amanda might be fighting in Nicaragua after Paz's betrayal (we know she was definitely part of Mother Base beforehand as a cook thanks to Paz's diary entry about pallo ginto), although Chico being captured by XOF after an implied reconnaissance mission indicates otherwise. Well, we'll see at E3 at least, seeing how we still haven't gotten a lead-in to the story yet. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:51, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Strangelove was Julie Danziger. Both are British and don't mind seducing barely legal teenagers. XD -- 17:31, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Wasn't Strangelove persona non grata from Britain though (at least, that what Miller seemed to indicate)? Plus, knowing how Strangelove, even with her being bisexual, isn't really too trusting of men besides Huey, and even he needed to work extremely hard to earn reciprocation of her feelings, I'm doubtful she would have simply let Robinson try to take advantage of her own daughter like that. And if that pool is outdoors, I'm doubtful Strangelove would be the type to swim outdoors given her albino skin condition. Still, overall a good theory, although it seems to be implied that she is Hal's mom. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:37, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Never heard of the term "persona non grata". Anyway, I'm just speculating due to Gamefaqs members thinking Huey and Strangelove got married. -- 17:41, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
"Persona non grata" is latin for "an unwelcome person." It effectively means she was banned from returning from the UK. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:43, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, never mind then. Danziger isn't Strangelove. -- 17:46, April 20, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Weedle, I've fixed/edited as well as added quotes for some of the characters at the top of their page. While I tried to pick quotes that encapsulates the character's beliefs and speech-type, I'm unsure about Liquid Ocelot's case. I initially picked a different quote until I changed it to the current one, but knowing how nit-picky some people are about his character, I'd just like to ask you if you could check which quote is better for him through his Edit History (you can undo the current revision if you feel that his previous quote was better). DementedP (talk) 04:59, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hard to say between the celebration of the freedom from the Patriots thing and the whole Wild West thing. That really just depends on interpretation, really. Plus, I'm not really good with determining the best personality traits unless they are flat-smack-dab obvious. You can ask Bluerock, though. He's probably of far better knowledge than I am. Fantomas also works as someone more knowledgeable in that area. I may know more than my Autistic peers, but compared to normal people (I myself am Autistic), I'm still clueless regarding it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:35, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Hey Weedle, are you aware that you're linked into the Wiki chat? I only ask because you didn't respond either today or yesterday. --Bluerock (talk) 17:22, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

So that's why my IE icon was glowing orange for some reason... Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:24, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Feel free to use it though. It's quicker than talk pages, though conversations aren't recorded. --Bluerock (talk) 17:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'll pass. I'm nervous around chatrooms because of some things from TV that showed the dangers of chatrooms. Case in point, the episode Sister Sister had the twins go to an apartment belonging to a supposed fashion designer named "Verique" only for it to turn out that he was a sex offender, among other things. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Not really the same though, is it? It's just for discussing ideas on the Wiki among multiple people, so no different to talk pages really. Anyway, it's your choice, just thought it might be useful. --Bluerock (talk) 22:23, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Rising's codec conversations Edit

Here's a link to most of Rising's codec conversations. 16:10, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look them over. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:43, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I missed the conversations about Desperado's rocket launcher (I guess because I ninja killed a lot of enemies) and a conversation during Armstrong's fight. 16:52, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Are they in English, BTW? I looked at the site, but it seemed to be largely in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or whatever. I'm not good at all at Chinese and Korean, and while I may know some Japanese, it's certainly not even close to enough to get through the site, especially Kanji. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:06, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
The conversations are in two languages. Chinese AND English as you can see in this link.

-- 17:41, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

BTW, managed to find the Desperado rocket launcher convo, just so you're aware. Will input it very soon. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:17, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, the fuel cells conversation is different if the gauge is only half empty. Raiden will say something "Dok, my fuel cells are running low. What happens if I completely tap them out?". -- 18:37, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

The tailoring Edit

Yeah, that only happens if Raiden uses blade mode on any of the hostages after he rescues them. It's obviously not canon (it's like attacking EVA or Meryl) so there's no need to post them. -- 21:28, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but then again, some people have posted stuff that wasn't exactly canon on other convo articles as well (ie, "Snake's a Bully", referring to the series of radio calls that can be used if the player beats up EVA during the escort mission late into the game). Anyways, canon or no, I'm not comfortable with those calls. If someone wants to do them, fine, but I'm not unless its unavoidable. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:35, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, that part reminds me, does the mission support members make any calls relating to what happens if the third hostage (in R-03) is rescued, period (ie, not cutting their clothes off)? The only Codec calls I could find from the site you supplied me with related to either what happens if you... "tailor" them or otherwise were unable to save them. I know that the hostage obviously did something that ticked World Marshal off, based on the dialogue between the hostage and the soldiers, so I'm curious as to what their comments are. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Just so you're aware, the convo articles were never really designed to be in-universe, as they are more akin to scripts for reference purposes. Therefore, anything can be added there, since they highlight all the humorous and non-canon topics, along with other interesting info. --Bluerock (talk) 23:04, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
My mistake. Anyway, no, the mission support does not make any new comments for the third or fourth hostage. -- 23:28, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and sorry for not getting back to you sooner: The wi-fi modem went haywire and I wasn't able to use the internet for a while. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:25, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

The background looks like the Middle East.Edit

I never got that conversation because I took care of the Mk II. Also, thanks for posting the information from the conversations I provided. Much appreciated. One day, I'll play MGS4 again so I can post the conversation about wolves guarding the grave of Crying Wolf. Go figure that's the one conversation YouTube doesn't have. -- 12:12, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

I heard there was a conversation relating to the electrified floors in MGS4, although someone couldn't find them despite remembering them, and from the way that person was talking, it wasn't even uploaded on youtube (at least, that's what I read on MGSForums, anyway, times may have changed). I currently have at least one paper to work on (among other school-related things) so I can't say I'll continue much with it until possibly May, but I'll make sure I finish them up when time allows. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:27, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Not a codec conversationEdit

That information is revealed after beating one of No. 4's VR missions. I was never able to beat all of them due to them being too hard. I think he said Parker's daughter committed suicide. 17:52, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Don't have the game, but I found the info on TVTropes. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:08, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: NES classic map (and possibly manual) Edit

I managed to get the images you asked for. I tried to get some others too but encountered the same problem you described.

--Soul reaper (talk) 07:46, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

First I've heard about the Boston attacks (and had just read up on Breitbart and PJMedia about them as well). Then again, its somewhat to be expected. I remember OWS trying to bomb a bridge in Ohio last year, that plus the Benghazi attacks on the US Consulate on September 11, 2012. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:30, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

It's already posted. Edit

The conversation where Kevin calls Raiden a "fanboy" and "stalker". 22:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

None that I'm aware of.Edit

I used the codec after getting the homing missiles but they surprisingly didn't comment on them. -- 22:18, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

The government official in Portable Ops was American?Edit

I assumed he was Russian since the base was Russian. 14:28, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

The game made it very clear from Ghost, Roy Campbell, and Naked Snake that the guy was a member of the American government who decided to aid Gene in his goal. What wasn't made clear, however, was whether he aided them of his own volition or if he had done so under orders of either the CIA or the DOD. I'll add in the source later. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Strange misspelling in "Similarities between games" Edit

In the Metal Gear Rising section of Similarities between games, there's a part talking about "Liquid Ocelot locating the pyx while Snake is engaged with Raging Raven in Metal Gear Solid 4". What is this "pyx" supposed to be? MarqFJA (talk) 18:18, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

It's referring to a type of boat. Big Mama references it in Act 3. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:26, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ad Banner Edit


I'm an admin at the Toriko Wiki. I was reading some stuff about Revengeance, when I came across this... So I was wondering: did u put the ad banner urself, or asked the wiki to do it? There was that ad for the Toriko dvds that I was thinking of putting instead of the usual ads on the wiki... is that possible? Sorry if i'm bothering --Zangetsukakashi 21:26, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Weedle, the picture I removed it is indeed a picture that Kojima twitted, but it is not a Fox Engine photo... It is an image from the movie "Drive", a movie he was watching that week. It is not a Pizza delivery guy rendered in the engine.

"Drive" Trailer

MGS:PW theme Edit

Mgs pw2
Hi, I saw the image of the Peace Walker xmb theme on the Peace Walker page, and I was curious as to where/how I can get that theme (or if it even exists). Not sure if this is where I ask questions, but yeah. Thanks!
I found it on MGSForums. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:22, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

The end Edit

fair enough. 

Custom AI weapon calls Edit

When are they mentioned? I didn't think they were canon. They are exact duplicates of the boss battles. 22:15, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, it's unlocked upon completing a mission immediately after putting Huey into the R&D team of Mother Base. Huey basically discusses some things about Metal Gear, and he also mentioned that Big Boss can recover head parts from the AI weapons if they are intact. The only time head parts are actually procured is during the Custom AI weapon battles. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:22, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, my mistake. I thought head parts were caught during any of the regular battles. I double checked the strategy guide. You're right.-- 22:31, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I don't speak Japanese Edit

It does seem to take place shortly before Raiden went to Abkhazia. We know Wolf was in Denver in 2016. -- 16:08, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, just saw the ending (English), and it definitely confirms that it took place immediately prior to Raiden's arrival in Abkhazia. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:11, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing Edit

Hey Weedle, I noticed you often quote sources in edit comments, but rarely add these directly to the article. Please do the latter instead, as this will prevent other users from potentially removing info by mistake, which may appear to have no references (edit comments are more for describing the actual change to an article; e.g. "adding source") . Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 19:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Just read. Edit

I want you if you don't mind read my newest blog and tell me your opinion about David Hayter. If you don't mind.R.S 22:46, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

The Desert Storm Edit

Is that an alias or just the definition of the word "Khamsin" like how Mistral called herself "the cold wind of France"? 14:12, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hard to say, though the way he introduces himself suggests an alias. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:14, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hair colours Edit

Here's an old interview where Shinkawa speculates that Snake is a natural blond (control-F for "blond") which was the original reason for them not having the same hair colour. So yeah, he actually is blond in MGS1's intro and it was changed in Twin Snakes.

I forget precisely where I saw the other (probably one of the many gaming sites that's since vanished off the internet), it was an interview talking about how around the time of MGS2 Kojima and Shinkawa were discussing a redesign of Big Boss and whether he should be blonde, but eventually decided he should have dark hair. Shinkawa speculated that Liquid's hair must be blond because it was bleached by his time in the desert. Evil Tim (talk) 06:32, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the spare bodies article Edit

Here's the special stages script for Ghost Babel. Make good use of it. 19:37, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. It had enough info to warrant its own article.
And thanks for the script. I'll add in any and all details when I have time (right now, I have at least one paper, maybe two, to worry about, as I'm taking Core 402 so its out of the way). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:35, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

apperances Edit

I think we should have one for the series and another for other media. ZombieVito (talk) 03:23, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Good idea. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

MGS5 Coma Edit

While you're right that the exact circumstances are not fully confirmed yet, the injuries from the attack on Mother Base may still have caused Big Boss to enter a coma later on. --Bluerock (talk) 07:47, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point, but the problem is that part of the VGA trailer (3:14-3:17, more specifically) shows Kaz banging the chopper door angrily, strongly implying they had managed to evacuate by that time, and Big Boss doesn't even look like he had been injured. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:42, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. Maybe their chopper was shot down in an ambush after they escaped. Something big had to have caused Big Boss to be in a coma for nearly a decade. 13:02, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
I'm doubtful that its a chopper being shot down either, as Big Boss was seen with those exact cuts as the chopper was flying around (seen at the beginning of the VGA trailer, and no, I'm doubtful it was headed to Mother Base, as we already saw the attack on Mother Base and unless he got Wesker's healing ability, he wasn't injured at all.). Most likely, he and Kaz fought with something that resulted in their injuries. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:07, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

He doesn't have an excuse during the Fire Trooper fight Edit

He tells Snake to stay away from Diane. 23:49, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, managed to find it. Found it odd that the FAQ I was searching through did not even show that call during the actual Fire Trooper boss fight, though. Here's the walkthrough I was looking at, BTW: a three-fer containing Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge, and Metal Gear 2. For the record, that FAQ is also where I got the screenshot for the chopper pilot in Snake's Revenge and the screenshot with the cigarettes/watch/fatigues/bulletcasing in the intro of MG2. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, seriously? Edit

The attack at Pearl Harbor only started American involvement in WWII. The war started years before when Hitler started invading countries in Europe. -- 12:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know I know, it was a big mistake, a stupid one, not to mention, as was my edit to the Miller, MG2, and radio conversation pages. I won't make that mistake again. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:17, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Well, here's most of the optional codec conversations for MG2 in case you didn't read them. The only changes seems to be the William Morgan reference and "freaks" using the MSX though maybe the fan translators added the latter themselves.

-- 13:17, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, Kasler can only be contacted during boss fights. Edit

I guess when Campbell said enemy weapons, he meant the Hind. Campbell, Miller and Holly are the only characters that can be called at anytime. -- 22:52, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Just wanted to make sure. So I guess MGS is the first game to actually give full-detail descriptions for weapons and items, then? I also guess that Big Boss must have hated the officer uniforms for Outer Heaven, seeing how, when asked by Snake, he compared them to a girl's high school uniform. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that comment was odd but the NES version is even more strange. In that version, Big Boss calls them "cute little sailor suits." I also find it strange that Big Boss doesn't seem to understand about cardboard boxes being used as hiding tools in both versions. Anyway, MGS is definitely the first game to give full-detail descriptions. -- 22:59, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, found that odd as well. Then again, Kojima didn't exactly plan ahead regarding this game, as he intended for it to be the end of the series (or rather, the only game in the series, in this case). Probably would have been final had Snake's Revenge not come out. Well, at least there were detailed descriptions in the manual for MG2, so its no real loss. So I guess he can't be contacted during the fight with Metal Gear D, then? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:05, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Strangely, no one can be contacted during that fight. Anyway, sorry for not giving you the codec scripts sooner. I had assumed you read them since you do have an account at Gamefaqs. -- 23:08, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Guess it's an "all up to you" moment, then. I'll try to note the uniform info somewhere, particularly the NES version's description from Big Boss. I already noted the MSX2 version's (well, technically PS2 version, but still) description from Big Boss in his article. And it's all right. I may have an account, but I haven't quite read through all of the FAQs. Actually, I did find a text dump, but I'm not sure that was meant to mean anything. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Those responses to certain items just illustrated Big Boss's sense of humor. Also, Big Boss using cardboard boxes himself to hide in was a retcon made way later, in MGS3. --Bluerock (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Good call about Paz and ChicoEdit

That scarred guy was lying when he said he had her killed. And Chico is seen alive after being saved from the camp. -- 19:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

And it couldn't have been Amanda either, as there was no reference to her at all in the Ground Zeroes trailer. If Skull-Face was telling the truth, he probably meant another female he knew at some point in his life. I'm getting the feeling that Paz being an (presumably) unwilling suicide bomber will come to pass, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:03, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Well, at least we now know that the guy in the beret is definitely Kaz and not Gene. Don't know why he's torturing Huey though. Thought they were kinda friends. As for Amanda, I assume she'll be mentioned like Rosemary was in Revengeance.-- 19:14, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Something must have happened, very bad, for things to come this way. And since Ocelot is doing the torturing and Miller is wearing the DD logo on his beret, I guess Ocelot might be a member of the DD? Quiet also seems to be undergoing similar torture. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:30, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe an unofficial member. EVA did say that Ocelot idolized him so it would make sense for him to be working for Big Boss. -- 19:33, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Device in Paz's StomachEdit

I don't want to start an edit war so, where is it confirmed that it's an explosive device? If it's not stated in the trailer then we're best off calling it an unknown device until we get confirmation --MOB-4-Life (talk) 19:06, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it has a red light that goes on and off. Plus, why else would someone put something in a person's stomach? -- 19:16, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
It could also be a tracking device.. or something else. Best to just leave it as an unknown device rather than adding speculative and potentially misleading information in the article. --MOB-4-Life (talk) 20:46, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
By the way Weedle, what discussions are you referring to? It's just the song in the trailer for those scenes right? --Bluerock (talk) 20:50, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, when the extended trailer came out, several people were talking about the device they pulled out of her stomach as if it were a bomb. One example would be here: Ninth post down, to be precise. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:58, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Oh ok. Fan discussions can't be used as evidence though. --Bluerock (talk) 21:03, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

link? Edit

weren't they confirmed as one game?

Wish I could give you the link right now, but its late and my house, not mention most of my community underwent a massive power outage. Its only been possibly 4hours at most since we even got wifi line for cell communications back. I`ll give you a link as soon as power is restored. For now, you can Check the discussion at rhe MGSV Page. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 06:40, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, power is back at my house, so I can now supply you with the exact source:
"To clarify, will Ground Zeroes be part of The Phantom Pain or released separately?
So you can think of it that Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is the big game and within that the first prologue to it is Ground Zeroes.
As you saw in the trailer, The Phantom Pain provides a vast world where the player can really go anywhere and get lost. But for past Metal Gear fans used to a linear experience it would probably be hard for them to get used to that without having a prologue and a way to get used to it. So Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes is an interpretation to really give them a very short, smaller version of that scale.
In The Phantom Pain there are real-life day and night cycles but in Ground Zeroes the weather doesn't change and it's at night time. This is to help the past Metal Gear fans to get used to the fact that it's now open-world.

:But will it be released separately?

We can't talk about how we're going to release it because we still haven't decided yet."
Make of it what you will. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:19, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

This is the complete list of the Colonel AI's bizarre codecs Edit

I never got the "game overs" or "you haven't reported in for a long time" calls so I can't confirm if they are valid. -- 13:02, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. And for the record, here's the image screenshots that I alluded to:; and here's the place I found them at: I doubt fan-made screenshots would have been used for what amounted to a trivia section for a game regarding tropes in the game. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:06, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
The MGS1 and Ghost Babel portraits only pop up for like a second and are random. They can show up in any conversation. -- 13:23, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Special Item Briefing translations Edit

Here are the translations for the Japanese-only special item briefing tapes. Arkhound (talk) 05:29, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Retort pouched curryEdit

Good news, Snake! We've successfully invented the retort pouched curry!
Say what!?
It wasn't easy. Our only reference were those vacuum-packed sausages they used for rations in the U.S. military. Adjusting the pressure and temperature during the sterilization process was quite difficult. It took a lot of trial and error to get it right.
These are the same kind of retort pouches used to package space food as well. And our staff somehow managed to reproduce this technology on their own? Humph. Not too shabby. Let me have a taste then! Just tear the pouch and...
Hold it, Snake!
What is it now?
You have to boil them in hot water fist.
And how long does it take?
Around three minutes.

Bon CurryEdit

Kaz, it's been three minutes already!
You're still a child of patience.
Smells good.
Mmmmm tasty! This is a pretty tasty dish, Snake!
I agree! This is pretty good.
The vegetables still have a sweet taste... They didn't have their freshness absorbed into the rue.
I could eat something as delicious as this on a battlefield.
Then it's settled! We'll name this dish "Bon Curry"! In case you're wondering, the "Bon" comes from the French word for "good" or "delicious".
Why the French name?
...Well, uh... It was for that lovely Parisienne...
Well, whatever. "Bon Curry"... doesn't sound too bad. A breakthrough in military rations.


Do you like tortillas, Snake?
Why the sudden interest?
It's a typical Central American dish made of corn flour. A favorite of mine back in the States.
Never tried one, but I heard of them.
Snake, what if I told you that you could savor the delicious taste of a tortilla at any place, any time?
Wouldn't be too convenient during a mission. It would occupy too much space.
Not anymore. Our R&D department have just invented a type of fried tortilla that is cut into little triangular bits. Tortilla chips that you can carry anywhere. We're calling them "Doritos".
It's Spanish for "little nuggets of gold", named after the color of the tortillas when fried.

Mountain DewEdit

Don't you wish you had a beverage you could take with you during a mission?
Don't worry about that. I already got my maté.
Maté is good and all, but... don't you wish for something carbonated instead?
Maybe, but I can't be too picky over what I bring to a battlefield. It's not like I'm going to Time Square for a shopping spree.
No need to worry about that, Snake. Our R&D staff have just invented a new soft drink. We're calling it "Mountain Dew"!
Mountain Dew!
Yes. A refreshing citrus flavored drink reminiscent of the great outdoors. It's lightly carbonated too, so you can drink in gulps even when tired.

Pepsi NEXEdit

Snake, our R&D division have just come up with another soft drink.
Don't bother. We'll do fine with just the maté and the Mountain Dew. Those are enough for me.
You think so? But you really ought to try it first. Once you do, you'll be hooked. In fact, I'm already hooked myself.

Miller pulls out the soft drink and drinks it in front of Snake.

It has a thick, but sharp taste... Very refreshing.
...You shouldn't get too addicted to that stuff, what with all its calories...
It has none!
None? Did I hear that right?
That's right, a zero calories drinking sensation!
You won't believe it even after trying it. There's nothing like it on the market.
That's right. It won't be long before all the cool people in the world will be hooked on it.
Aspirations breeds aspirations, eventually becoming a giant vortex that envelops all of mankind.
Snake, or should I say Boss, right now you're at the center of that very vortex. Be the first to usher this new era.
That's a pretty bold statement, even though I had nothing to do with its creation... What are you calling it anyway?
The name of your soda...
Its name is... Pepsi NEX...
Pepsi... NEX...
Snake and Miller (in unison)
Pepsi NEX!!

Thanks. There was one below the Bon Curry tape, but I couldn't find it on Youtube. Maybe I'll try to videotape that briefing tape and email it to you? Either way, I'll definitely make sure I add this information in. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, that part has been translated as well. I realized there was a tape missing in your Youtube links, so I took the liberty of looking it up on another video site (Niconico Douga). Arkhound (talk) 05:48, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry, I realized that after you posted it. I'll try to send you videos of the Japanese model descriptions of those items for translation if you wish to translate them, though, after I make them that is. I'd do the translations myself, but seeing how I only have elementary 1 and parts of elementary 2 Japanese under my belt (and honestly, even if I had all the Japanese courses under my belt, it would still mean nothing because my Japanese books don't even cover all the Kanji characters, or their translations). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
PS: I wonder why AXE didn't make the cut for briefing files, even in the Japanese version? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 06:43, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Who was the sponsor you mentioned?Edit

Sigh... First Lady Obama's "Let's Move." Less said, the better for all of us. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:11, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Just asking. -- 18:13, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Understood. Either way, I might have to switch to Linux in Summer 2013 at the earliest, and depending on how things go with the series, I might have to leave the Metal Gear Wiki as well (although not before taking care of some unfinished business regarding this site first). Actually, I had planned to switch from Windows to Linux since at least 2012, but College-related materials forced me to delay (as Colleges are becoming more and more cyberspace-based, trying to get rid of my internet, or undergo significant delays trying to master a new system, would be suicide, and I estimate I'd need six months, if not a year, just to master Linux, hence why I feel as though I have to delay using it. Personally, I'd switch now if I could.). It largely had to do with some actions that were being done by Bill Gates regarding vaccines and Third World countries (he basically implied that he wanted those vaccines to depopulate the third world, something I do not support), that as well as his pro-Abortion status as well as Microsoft's involvement in the PRISM scandal. Am also wondering whether to even put all my files on the Cloud instead of an external hard drive, especially seeing that it is a NSA database center in Utah, and considering the current NSA scandal going on, not to mention PRISM, I'm not too trusting of Dropbox or Carbonite right now. As far as why I'm considering leaving the site, and the series, its because some aspects of the game are having way too much negative impacts on me. The Anti-Americanism in it is but one. The whole Reloaded-esque scene with the AI and Raiden in MGS2 was another (by that I mean it was very similar to the whole Architect scene from Reloaded, which had a lot of negative implications on how God was presented. I've already got a fear-based relationship with God as it is thanks to Raiders of the Lost Ark, and I'm not sure whether to continue). However, I cannot leave until I restore several files that got deleted in a virus attack last October, including several MGO-related images, so those are out of the way, stuff that I would have finished up during Summer 2012, but College forced me to put off, and then the virus attack occurred. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:31, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Kojima has stated that Quiet will still make small noises. These details are also noted in Quiet's article.

Just friendly messageEdit

Hey Weedle, I'm new to this wiki(a) and noticed you make quite a lot of contributions to the wiki and your user page caught my attention as I'm autistic too, of the Asperger's variety.... I'm also a few days younger than you as I was born on the 23rd...

PS.. you should consider archiving your talk page its getting a bit long/big  Kmg90 (talk) 03:16, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, Saucy Weedle Edit

It's really just an way of describing to him. It's not an alias. It would be pretty much the same as if I referred to you as saucy. Now if they had said something like, oh I don't know, "Dumbass Jack", would we have put that in his list of names? (By the way, sorry, but my signature doesn't work here)

Lol, you know Weedle.

Collective ConsciousnessEdit

I saw your modification about the lyrics of Collective Consciousness at the beginning. They do not say "We are", is simply the word "The" extended few seconds, nothing more.

What sense has "We are the unenlightened masses, they cannot make the judgement call"? Absolutely nothing, lyrics are talking about other people. The lyric of a song is correlative, although is written in vertical verse does not mean that every sentence is independent. Your ear is broken man, more than 4 months from the release and there are still people who changed the lyrics...

Rules of Nature (talk) 19:26, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

No. 4's commentary Edit

Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the various subjects they relate to? --Bluerock (talk) 20:44, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thought I'd source the kinds of commentary that No. 4 mentioned, since the BTS section mentioned it. If you wish, I'll delete them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:52, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
Seems like overkill to include all those conversations. The Galuade Incident article will reference any of No. 4's info, for anyone whose curious about them. --Bluerock (talk) 21:25, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Personal views Edit

They were not my personal views, they're the general reviews of the games. It's what pretty much everyone says.

Hmm, fair enough, although we still might need some sources for that if we're going to keep them in. For that matter, I might as well do the same myself with some things. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:25, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to barge in Mr. McKairybug, but if I may. I don't believe some people's personal opinions or..."reviews" of the Metal Gear games should belong in the articles, and they should go into the forums. I'm sorry for intruding and I shall not do this again. Croyez-en les Militaires Sans Frontières! (talk) 00:29, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

They were personal views. They were not sourced, they were not even remotely well written and the reeked of bias. Opinions go in the reception section of the game in question, and consist only of what is written in "credible" sources and sales figures. You simply expressed either what you felt or what you had read in comments sections, neither of which have any place on this wiki outside of forums. "Pretty much everyone" is not a provable statement.--Soul reaper (talk) 08:11, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

About those promo codes... Edit

Hey there. :)

I just tried the codes you provided and some of them works which is a good news but some are not which is a bad news to me. Sorry if I asked this, but I was wondering if you kindly share your save data so that I can wear them promo t-shirts during the missions. It looks awesome while wearing your favorite brand/products on the go. Reply back after you read this and thanks! :D

~ MBJ_01

P.S Yes, I do notice it's for Japanese version but I have the Jap version of the game so it's a no problem for me. :)

The codes you used that didn't work most likely were the codes I already used. I'm honestly a bit surprised that the Walkman and Hori shirts could even be used twice. Well, that probably scratches off my planned use of the remaining codes. At least I got both Pepsi NEX t-shirts and Mountain Dew t-shirts and thus could implement the information.
As far as sharing save data, can you explain to me how I can do it? I've never shared save data before, so I honestly don't know how to do it. As soon as I know how to do it, feel free to have a copy of my save data.
BTW, you said you have the Japanese version (and I presume the English version)? I have some questions to ask you: Namely, are you also capable of recording gameplay videos directly from the PSP, like for a playthrough on youtube or something? I'm asking because I'm actually going to need someone who could try to record some videos from the PSP, specifically, Extra Ops battles with the AI weapons for both Japanese DLC options (ie, both accented voices and human voices DLC), as well as the English Human voices and to some extent the descriptions of Japanese DLC on the Extras Menu that are long enough to require their own scrollbar. I was going to do it myself, but I don't actually have the capability of recording directly from my PSP, and since I'm doing a virus scan that's barely even halfway done after four days, I can't actually download the necessary firmware to accomplish this from my main computer right now (I might with my laptop, though), so if you know how to do it and have the capacity of doing it, I'd really appreciate it if you could make some gameplay videos of each of the AI weapons and each of the DLC AI voices together and upload them onto the wiki, and a brief GIF depicting the scrolling of the PSN descriptions of SF Magazine, both Volume 6 and 8 of Arakawa Under the Bridge, and the four Monster Hunter T-shirts, especially seeing how I've got college on my hands right now, and the announcement of DLC ending in September 30 caught me offguard. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:14, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
You can upload your save data to MediaFire. It's a free file hosting service and you don't need to create an account, but I suggest you should make one in case if you want to share other files with your friends.
Yes, I do know how to record a video directly from the PSP but unfortunately I have no idea on how to record the sounds off from the PSP as it only shows the screen but not the audio. However, I could help you with the Japanese descriptions like the magazines for example. Also, I'm currently using a PSP emulator called "PPSSPP" because somehow, my PSP's battery couldn't seem to functioning properly so I have to use the emulator for awhile.
If you need anything, you can contact me via e-mail and I'll see what I can do to help you out. :)
~ MBJ_01
 ::::Well, that nixes the idea for you to do the AI weapon voices. I'll get my laptop to take care of the firmware download, I guess. Then I'll use the cables for hooking my PSP up to the computer (as soon as I find the cables, at least) to download it from the laptop directly to the PC, and then start the video recordings for the AI weapon voices. I guess I'll start with the Japanese voices first, since the English voices, due to only having four DLCs released in that version, can wait a while, but the Japanese versions can't. You can go ahead with doing the videos/.gifs for the DLC descriptions for the Magazines and Monster Hunter shirts, though. I'll also register for a MediaFire account in the meantime to loan you my saves before September 30. One last question, though: MediaFire doesn't have viruses on it, does it? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:16, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Alright. Will get on that this Wednesday. Just tell me via e-mail on what stuff you want me to do and I'll try to get them using the emulator. And no, it's a virus-free site, as in there's no virus whatsoever. :)
~ MBJ_01
Good. I'll get to it. I might as well correct myself in regards to that email I sent you: That was actually a system update, not the type to record gameplay videos/take ingame screenshots. I did find this, however, and was wondering if the download has any major risks (such as viruses or anything like that)? And I'll submit the grocery list to you via email shortly regarding PSN descriptions. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:33, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Coldman continued Edit

A. That doesn't make sense. Someone rewriting an article doesn't make something more likely.

B. That's only your assumption. A quick DCI would fit someone who couldn't keep his mouth shut. I accept MPO as canon in an Expanded Universe sense, since Kojima is intent on ignoring it to tell his own story. He doesn't really know much about a lot of the details in PO's story. A twitter follower of his once asked why Null had a German codename in PO, and Kojima just replied with "PO's not my script." 

A better moment to take as alluding to any DCS is in the post-Chrysalis battle, when (in the JPN version) Snake alludes to the notion that the KGB were in on the whole plot to elimate The Boss with the CIA the entire time. Especially given the ending of MGS3, where the anti-Kruschev faction of the KGB was in league with the US regarding OSE. Likely a trade-off. Failing to stop an American nuke launch on Soviet soil makes Kruschev appear weak as a leader, which makes it more likely for him to be ousted. Volgin could have been contacted by this faction of the KGB and had the idea of launching the nuke given to him, and he would have agreed for this reason (without knowing it was originally a CIA idea). His doing so benefited all three parties involved. It allowed Kruschev to be removed from power, allowing Volgin a chance to support Brezhnev, while the KGB plotted its own separate coup. For the US, naturally, it included getting (half) the Legacy and getting rid of The Boss.

Zero or Ocelot would fit nicely in the middle of this, particularly Ocelot. He's the main middleman between all three groups, and apparently has been especially involved in shady dealings between the US and the KGB. I'm not 100% convinced Ocelot's the DCS though, but it has a lot to recommend it- the artwork being for the DCS being chosen from Ocelot's image file (among all the images they had available) and his being the link between the two groups that apparently colluded together on the "eliminate The Boss" plot.

BTW, I quite like PO actually, it's PW I could do without.

C. It does work. It's just common sense. There are any number of reasons someone would keep a code like that to themselves. Lack of trust could be one, greed another, worry that another person with that knowledge could be captured and tortured for info, etc. There's no need to read Coldman suspecting Zadornov into it when his surprise and anger at his betrayal weighs against it. He wouldn't have given MSF the code because they'd made it obvious they wanted to stop it from launching in the first place. You're not suggesting he'd believe they'd allow the nuke to be launched at either target?

D. Strangelove only wanted to know if The Boss was under orders. She was expecting the mammal pod to state how The Boss actually felt about it.

I didn't bring her back to life because I was forced to. 
I wanted to know how she really felt... How it really ended.

Then she goes on to tell Snake she knows that he would like to know too, showing she didn't believe that was the information she was going to get out of him via interrogation.

Even so, granting your point there for the sake of argument, she still didn't turn on Coldman or act in anyway that someone so upset over The Boss's death would have acted in the presence of the person most responsible for it.

E. 2. Like I said, retouching artwork would require more effort than necessary. For a game that didn't even bother removing his bandana in chapter 5, I'm sure they cared even less about such a minor detail as a card.
Those other examples were console releases and were polygonal cutscenes that allow for greater variation. You can do things on a console MGS that you can't (yet) do on a PSP MGS. E.g., I remember going through most of the game in a Sneaking Suit, yet the cutscenes only showed fatigues.
3. I goofed. I meant maybe she just felt the need to remove it. 02:05, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

A. I know it doesn't make sense, but at this point, considering Bluerock runs and owns this site, it doesn't matter.
B. A bit surprising that Kojima would actually be ignorant of MPO, since he at least wrote the framework of the story (otherwise, he shouldn't have been credited with the game in the credits at all), not to mention included it in the flashbacks for MGS4, and even stated it happened in a podcast. Whatever the case, MGS4 made it pretty clear that it was the CIA who had planned The Boss to be killed from the start, not the KGB, with the motive being simply out of paranoia of her charisma. Though I will make sure to note the KGB involvement somewhere on this wiki.
C. There's a problem though: Coldman stated that he hoped his version of Peace was right, and acknowledged the possibility that he would actually have misjudged humanity in regards to pushing the button. If he felt that Peace Walker would take care of the deterrence flaw, and anticipated that he might be wrong, he would have supplied MSF with the code just in case he turned out to be wrong, while also telling them only to use the code if it turned out he was wrong about what the staff would do. I know that's certainly what I would have done.
D. Maybe, but I'm still not certain about that since she really should have just confiscated the card in either case.
E2. The graphic novel cutscenes were done specifically to alleviate that problem regarding polygons and disc space, and hey, they kept many of those quirks from MGS1 and MGS3 when they put them onto the PSP's PSN network, so if they can do it there, they can most certainly implement artwork there.
Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:15, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
B. Technically, wasn't it only Sean Eyestone saying "it happened," rather than Kojima? (Not saying Kojima probably wouldn't make the same reply himself, but it sounds like that's probably more thought than he'd give it now.)

Given his credit for "original story," I'd guess that Kojima must've come up with the very basic plot. "This is what Zero and Ocelot are doing, make Gene and the FOX Unit cool, and throw in Gray Fox. Fill in the details yourselves."

A lot of supposed contradictions beween PO and PW may come from that. Calling ZEKE the "first Metal Gear" could simply be due to Kojima being unaware that RAXA was called "Metal Gear." Either way, based on his response to the Null question (how could he not know that, seriously?), it seems he doesn't want to put in any effort to think of PO's plot at all, apart from broadstrokes.

As far as what MGS4 made clear, I think it's questionable to take EVA's statement as evidence, as it could mean that they began to plot to kill her *after* her defection. Zero mentioned that the CIA feared that her charisma could lead others to follow her example and defect, so it's not strictly necessary to see MGS4 as referring to PO's plot.

Kruschev only said to "catch The Boss yourselves" and to do "something painful." Point being, you can interpret that statement at least two different ways.

Assuming though that it does refer to PO's plot, it being the CIA's idea doesn't rule out KGB involvement. All it would take would be the CIA Director telling Ocelot, "Call up the Chief Director of the KGB, and tell him the Americans have a proposal... 'One of our agents is on an undercover mission to get close to Volgin. We'd like a trade-off. Get a message to Volgin that he can undermine Kruschev by launching one of the nukes The Boss brought in. You guys can get rid of Kruschev, and we have an excuse to get rid of The Boss.'"

C. He only acknowledged that possibility on his deathbed. He had a few breaths of air left, and even in that moment where he began to suspect he could be wrong, he still didn't reveal the abort code.

He also knew that MSF wanted to stop PW's launch, even if he *was* right that there would be no retaliation. If you'd give MSF the code "just in case," knowing that they don't even want to give your test a chance, you've just thrown all your effort away.

E2. Which is part of the point. Saving disc-space and the like by using artwork also means that you can't do much real-time variations. The artwork produced for a scene is the *only* artwork for a scene.

So, to save disc space, they're not going to waste space creating two different versions of the torture scene to have Strangelove wearing the card and another not wearing it. It's just simpler to not include it so it doesn't conflict with the player's choice either way. Had it been included in the interrogation artwork, even if the player had finished the QTE, she'd have still been wearing it in the torture scene. Then you'd have to wonder "How did Snake steal it AGAIN?"

So, when you don't see her wearing it, you can simply view it as one of two things, depending on your choice.

1. If you finished the QTE, then Snake has it tucked away.
2. If you didn't finish the QTE, then she just decided to take it off. 20:53, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Can't comment on C-E2, since that will really take forever to settle (literally, I'm afraid). But regarding "B.", I can't say whether it was Sean Eyestone or not (I only heard about it from other users), but considering he's translating for Kojima, who was present at that podcast going by what people said, whether Kojima himself said it directly in English or had someone say it for him is irrelevant, and I'm doubtful they'd allow a mistranslation like that to occur. As far as MGS4 is concerned, the problem is that she used that statement even though she would have just as easily just repeated a condensed version of the debriefing she supplied Big Boss with regarding the truth behind The Boss's mission (and we know she knew that debriefing, and would have been a perfect alternative to that just to sweep Portable Ops under the rug). And I'm doubtful Ocelot was the guy Gene alluded to. Yes, they used his artwork, but then again, they have a tendency to reuse artwork anyways. And besides, going by his reaction when killing the DCI, he didn't seem to support killing The Boss at all and also made it seem as though the DCI was the guy Gene alluded to, which makes little sense if he was the DCS ("Betray? No, I'm not going to Betray them, I'm going to END them. Then, We'll take back what you [DCI] stole from us. We'll carry the spirit of the True Patriot [The Boss]."). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:26, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

I was just making sure about Kojima ever saying that, because the podcast in question I actually did listen to, and Kojima himself wasn't involved with it. Someone wrote in wanting canon clarification, and Eyestone more or less replied with, "All the main chapters. MG1 and MG2, the real ones, not the NES versions, MGS1-4, and Peace Walker." Then added "And PO is also in there, but it's not like a main chapter, but it, yeah, it happened." He sounded almost like he was treating PO as an afterthought.
As for Ocelot, I consider it a possiblity, due to mainly four things: He's the link between the two factors Snake (even in PW) suspects were in on The Boss's assassination, he didn't know The Boss (not even that she was a female) until he met her and spent enough time with her after the nuke launch to become inspired by her, the artwork was him, and he has a history of acting on behalf of an affiliated group (CIA/Patriots) to help set up a scenario. That, and even though Gene alludes to Zero with the "man with the same codename as Null" bit, he mentions Ocelot quite a bit more, as though Zero is just a supporter.
Zero is a possibility, but supporting evidence is a mixed bag.
On the pro side: It applies Occam's Razor to PO's mentions of a shadow figure behind the scenes, he's a cunning plotter (and "strategist" sounds more like a military planner type, like Zero was as head of FOX), and he was obviously in talks with the CIA Director before each mission. Gene's mention of The Boss sacrificing herself to the greater will of someone else would fit Zero's goal of the Patriots (which he was already mentioning during MGS3).
Cons: Mostly the fact that Zero is portrayed as filled with sorrow at the sudden loss of The Boss, and angry enough to rebel against The Philosophers and the CIA Director. Of course, that could be counterbalanced by saying he was strong-armed into it by the CIA. Another is that Zero showed up in the cutscenes, so he had artwork of himself made that they could easily have used during Gene's reveal. Then we have the fact that we have no indication that Zero setting up The Boss played any part in the Zero/Big Boss conflict (although personally I would have liked it better than, "No, *I* loved Teh Bozz moar!" 06:13, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

There's an English trailer for Ground Zeroes?Edit

Congratulations for being right about Ground Zeroes still being a separate game. Kojima's inconsistencies are confusing. At least we now know that Skull-Face is not Volgin or Zadornov due to their voice actors not returning for the game (Kojima almost always keeps the same voice actor for returning characters). -- 16:36, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it most likely is still a separate game, assuming Kojima doesn't pull a fast one that is (which considering his surprise at the fans deduction that "MDS" was actually Kojima Productions under a separate IP address, I'm doubtful he's going to pull a fast one at us).
It's most likely not Zadornov or Volgin either (Even if they had survived, they didn't suffer from extensive enough burns to become nearly skeletal. Heck, we even got a brief view of Volgin's smoldering corpse (after the flames died down) when the Russian reinforcements arrived, and despite being caught in a fire, he looked no different than when before he caught on fire), though then again, who knows: Big Boss's VA did get replaced. In either case, Skull-face is definitely familiar with Big Boss and his exploits, based on his comments to Chico.
As far as the English trailer for Ground Zeroes, if you mean the English audio version of the PAX trailer, I'm aware of that (though I never actually got a chance to watch it with sound). If you mean an English version of either the standard TGS Demo or the special TGS Demo, that is something I wasn't aware of, but was hoping would be released. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:21, October 27, 2013 (UTC)
I was talking about the audio version. Forgot to add a question mark. And I know Big Boss's VA got replaced, hence I used the word "almost". Johnny Sasaki's VA was replaced for MGS4. At least Kojima doesn't constantly replace VA for no reason unlike Capcom did with Leon Kennedy, Ada Wong and Jill Valentine. By the way, I see the you're a Simpsons fan. Too bad Edna Krabappel is leaving the show due to her VA's death. I'll miss the character. Ned Flanders will be alone again. -- 13:27, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, understood. Plus, at least Big Boss actually keeps his VA in the Japanese version, though. As I said, I'm familiar with the trailer, but haven't actually watched it with sound yet. Watched Yong's commentary for the Daytime demo and added in some info as well (with sound). As far as the Simpsons, shame that her VA died as well. However, personally, I felt that, votes or not, having Ned Flanders hook up with Krabappel was a big mistake. Yes, forgiveness is part of the Christian walk, but even Jesus made it clear that one should not sin anymore when forgiving the fallen. Since Krabappel, based on the episode regarding their dating (season finale) was unrepentent in her sleeping around even when Flanders forgave her, he should have just stayed away from her. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:16, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion yay? Edit

Hello I got a new blog I would like your opinion. Any opinion. If you have the time that is.R.S 05:03, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

gabriel RockEdit

I did that with powerpoint

Ah. In that case, good artistic skills. Hope Ground Zeroes manages to be released on the Wii U, though, as I'm more of a nintendo guy. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:47, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Help with an image Edit

Hey Weedle, I was going through the Metal Gear 2 characters and I noticed that for some reason, there doesn't seem to be an image of Snake from the original version MSX2 version of the game, though every other character has one. I could've sworn I'd seen one on here once before. Anyway, I looked at the other character's images and noticed that you'd uploaded the MSX2 pictures. I was wondering if you could help me locate the one for Snake, or failing that upload it? Thanks--Soul reaper (talk) 14:16, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Just so we're clear, do you mean his transceiver portrait or the picture of him in the beginning and the ending of the game? I'm asking because Solid Snake has two different pictures for those instances. I'll upload the opening/ending image of Solid Snake for now, since that's the only one currently available. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:30, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Actually, you may have to ask Bluerock about the transceiver image from the MSX2 version. I tried looking on Bing, but other than showing the transceiver menu, there's nothing showing Snake's transceiver portrait from that version. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:35, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
I just managed to get it. Turns out we have the full transceiver screen on the radio page. I took it from there.--Soul reaper (talk) 14:45, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

MPO+ local soldiers Edit

I finally got the Japanese version MPO+ and downloaded a few local soldiers. They all have pretty much the same description, with the only difference being the final sentence describing the soldier's favorite food or thing. Here's the common description for all them.

A member of a specially enhanced unit who has been deployed to his hometown. A certain "device" seems to be required in order to contact him. Moreover, he apparently wants to become a freelance soldier by joining a unit with as much real combat experience as possible.

It's going to take awhile to unlock them, since there's 47 of them. Arkhound (talk) 08:00, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Keep up the good work. Are there any external links for the Japanese soldiers, or even for the American soldiers? I checked the official site for MPO for the Japanese version, yet I couldn't find anything (which is odd, as the European site apparently was able to show the European local soldiers, as well as Boss Rush and two new maps). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, January 23, 2014 (UTC)



Vandalism. It's not allowed. I'm sorry, but I cannot allow any pages to be vandalized, not even if the vandalization was indeed meant for humor. You have a problem with that rule, take it to one of the mods, such as Bluerock. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:08, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

FOXHOUND vs. Navy SEALs?Edit

You seem like you know a lot about Metal Gear lore, so, if you don't mind, could compare and contrast these two units? Which is the more elite force? Which is more stealthy? Who would win if the two units clashed?

Side question: Aren't FOXHOUND operatives pretty much just covert ops snipers without a sniper rifle?

Thanks in advance. 19:26, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Answer my question, you damn fool. 17:20, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

All right, fine. Considering FOXHOUND's status as a pretty secret special forces group, it is probably more advanced than the Navy SEALs. However, I can't make any objective views without some data to back it up, as I'm not a SEAL. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:22, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Weedle... Edit

Could you look at the edit to the Metal Gear Solid page? I think it should be undone but I don't know if I would be able to, cause last time I screwed something up and I blanked the entire page.

Semper Fi (talk) 12:42, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'll try, although it may not be a simple "undo" because of it taking up multiple edits. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:51, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: Okay, took care of it. Was smaller than I expected. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:54, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Weedle, I owe ya one :). Oh hey, before I forget, could you take a look at the forum I made a couple days ago? (If you can't find it I can link ya to it.) Semper Fi (talk) 13:05, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

GZ side ops are canon? Edit

They are? So BB had access to Camp Omega since December? ZombieVito (talk) 20:19, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Kind of. It's unknown whether he actually accessed Camp Omega directly during those missions, but the descriptions of the missions (such as the date the missions occurred as well as their being "pseudo-historical recreations") make clear that, at the very least, the overall events of the missions did indeed occur, but in terms of specifics were a bit different. Probably the closest one to qualify as full canon (meaning, they accessed Camp Omega) is probably the Classified Intel Retrieval Mission (the one with Brian the mole), due to the tape that was retrieved being Skull Face's backstory tape. The Deja Vu and Jamais Vu missions most likely aren't, though, though then again, I don't know if they give any dates for those missions. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:25, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

How can Jamais be canon if it has Raiden in there haha. It's weird that BB has to infiltrate a base he already did mere months before.

Not to state it is canon (again, it most likely isn't), but they did justify Raiden's presence by having Miller state that Raiden was from the future. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:02, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Quick question..thing Edit

I read somewhere just before GZ was released that Kojima wanted to ignore almost everything of what happened in Metal Gear Solid 2 after the Tanker Incident, except for the central characters. Do you know what that would mean? Semper Fi (talk) 14:18, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

This is the first I've heard of it. Can you give me the place you found this information? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:21, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

I can try looking through my internet history, but it's been a while. I'll leave it here if I find it. Croyez-en les Militaires Sans Frontières! (talk) 14:25, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Here are complete videos of the side ops.Edit

Geoff77 (talk) 18:37, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll watch them when I have the time (I have what is very likely to be my final semester at College right now, so I have to worry about getting all assignments done right if I'm to graduate and get out of there on May). Again, I'm sorry for the mistakes. Oh, and one of the videos I mentioned earlier seemed to mention the Miller and Prisoner 12282 thing, but then it cut to him warning Big Boss about a trap being nearby, leading me to think that was the "one more thing" he was talking about.
BTW, one last favor, can you get the information on Miller contacting Amanda if you get near Chico's prison camp in the main story? Kill_distroy of GameFAQs alluded to this conversation during a spoiler thread if the player got close to the camp. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:42, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I never got the conversation. I called Miller multiple times and walked near Chico's cell multiple times too. I don't know how kill_distroy got that conversation. Geoff77 (talk) 19:38, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I can confirm that this conversation exists. I'll try and figure out what the exact trigger is for it in my next playthrough. --Bluerock (talk) 19:41, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 Please do. Geoff77 (talk) 19:45, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I found the conversation. You have to walk behind the prison camp before finding Chico. I posted the conversation on Amanda's page. Hope it's useful. I'll post the Marines' conversation and Miller's comments about the escaped prisoner later. -- 14:15, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, especially with the Amanda one (that one got deleted because someone thought it was apparently made up). Also, I managed to use the Jamais Vu video you posted much earlier, but thanks for the suggestion anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:17, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Miller in Phantom Pain? Edit

I'll nip this potential edit conflict in the bud and point out this site which appears to be an official Konami UK site. It suggests Miller is indeed the bereted sunglasses-wearing guy. I don't believe that Facebook page was referring to the specific image itself, but rather to the trailer as a whole in which it appears. --Bluerock (talk) 01:37, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. 01:48, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

If they say its Miller, then it's Miller, so I'll stop. There IS one thing that needs to be pointed out to the anon, though. I did click on the Facebook link I posted earlier, the one he claimed did not work, and it definitely worked (I would have gotten a 404 error or cannot display page message if it didn't). Are you sure it's not a problem with your computer? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:35, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I've tried clicking the link on multiple computers but the following message pops up.

"This content is currently unavailable The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page." 

Maybe this shows up because I don't have a Facebook account. 02:37, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

That must explain it then, because I was definitely logged in and able to see the Facebook post. Only joined Facebook because a cousin of mine talked me into it, and pretty much to maintain contact with my friends anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:40, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not into Myspace, Facebook or Twitter. By the way, I'm glad you got Ghost Babel. I hope you post the codec conversation with Christine Jenner about Big Boss being Snake's father when you manage to play the game.-- 19:29, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Wasn't particularly interested in Facebook either, as I only joined it a. after my cousin talked me and my parents into it during transition from high school to college, and b. so I could maintain contact with my friends. And I joined Twitter and Myspace so I could contact an actress I met easily.

As far as Ghost Babel, I'll have more time after graduation this semester, if not the summer semester. I can tell you I managed to get at least most, if not all of Brian McBride's conversations though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:47, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks for that. I missed some of them. Bluerock was right. Codec calls can be easy to miss. Good luck with your graduation. -- 14:12, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'm definitely going to need it, as my time at Oglethorpe was probably one of the worst times I've had to deal with. There were a few instances where the math courses seemed to be utterly broken (I mean, math and science aren't exactly my strongest suits, yet I'm able to do very well in it so long as they at least talk about the concepts in a way I can understand. However, when doing "Great Ideas of Modern Math," I was forced to drop the course in Fall 2012 due to doing extremely poorly in the course (the teacher pretty much told me I should drop the course), and I just barely managed to get a "D" during the retake in Fall 2013. The way they do math at Oglethorpe is not merely "difficult," it's made virtually impossible for anyone to pass. And it wasn't just Great Ideas, either. Even the JAVA Programming Course proved to be virtually impossible to do, and I've done well with prior computer courses before.). That's not even getting into the agenda pushing of anti-Christian, leftist principles on us. I did not sign on for college to be treated as a POW in a reeducation camp. Assuming I play my cards right, I should be able to fully graduate by May. I was planning to switch servers immediately after graduation (since I naturally won't have to continue using Microsoft anymore), but after discovering many of my recovered files are corrupted, I'm probably going to have to delay switching modems until AFTER I fix whatever corrupted them so I can at the very least upload my MGO image files onto the wiki and complete that project (since obviously I can't do that while I'm still busy with school). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:44, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

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