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Weedle McHairybug

aka Eric Otness

38,469 Edits since joining this wiki
November 4, 2009
  • I live in Dunwoody, Georgia
  • I was born on February 14
  • I am Male

My apologies for the many edits on Liquid's profile. I'm not used to using Wikia on mobile, so I thought that there was lag or a glitch and tried it a few times until I saw your message. I apologize for the inconvenience and I'll make sure not to do that again. (XDevilionx (talk) 20:39, June 28, 2014 (UTC))

Archived talk pages Edit

Old archived versions of this users talk page can be found at

Your talk page Edit

Ever consider arhciving some of this page, Weedle? It's getting REAALLLLLLY long. 02:26, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'd archive it if I knew how to. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:37, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
You can archive it by creating a page linked to your user account, e.g. User:Weedle McHairybug/archive 1, and transferring all the old content to it. You could also provide a link to it on your current talk page for reference. You can create multiple archive pages this way should you need them. See here for more. --Bluerock (talk) 08:05, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hey are you on MGSF, because i've seen someone there with the same name and was wondering if that was you?

Yep, that was me, although I'm most likely going to be very rarely attending that site since my computer was the victim of a major virus attack twice, and my computer is still recovering, and I suspect that site is the culprit. At best, I'll visit via my cell phone. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:10, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Weedle, hope you don't mind but I archived some of your talk page since it's gotten so big (about 1/4 GB). I posted links below so you can still view them if need be. Any problems, please let me know. --Bluerock (talk) 23:40, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

MG and MG2: SS Edit

I saw that you edited something a while ago, saying that some fans think Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 are no longer canon. How could this possibly be? I know there are a lot of retcons (Grey Fox's backstory, Big Boss being Snake's father, etc.) but how could they possibly have become non canon? 14:53, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's largely regarding remakes and some of the retcons, yes. But there were also some citations besides the retcons, such as claiming that the Previous Operations missions decided to only focus on the key elements, and there were even some hints that some of the stuff in MSX2 games did not actually happen such as destroying switchboards with remote control missiles (Snake reacts to the whole concept in MGS when Deepthroat contacts him as if he wasn't actually aware of such a method, as users like Violet Lee pointed out in the GameFAQs boards). A good example would be Ben Reilly's post here (last post on the page). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:12, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Anderson edit Edit

By not "falling in line with their plans" the said incident did not pan out how the Patriots had intended (namely the leaking of details of the incident, Snake becoming a hero, etc.). It does not refute any involvement they may have had in REX's initial development. Therefore, that mention in MGS2 is not relevant to Anderson's page. Hope this makes the reason for my edit more clear. --Bluerock (talk) 22:44, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the codec conversations. Edit

Good to know Snake is mentioned (albeit as "someone"). I told you Madnar was not Doktor. Totally different ethnic backgrounds. Last time I checked, Russians weren't called "doktors". Anyway, I'm surprised saving via codec is back. I also hope Rosemary and John are at least mentioned in the game.

By the way, I didn't know the player could call Campbell about the pigeon's note in MG2. When did you manage to finally play the game? 20:28, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the list is still not complete, even by demo standards. The calls for the LQ-84I battle obviously aren't present. I actually was considering not doing the calls (they were on Youtube, and at the time, I didn't want to support Google especially after you-know-who won the election, but still...). I only thought it was Madnar as I said before because the guy who said that line said it that seemed similar to a Russian accent. Thankfully, the demo sort of cleaned up the delivery.
As for when I played MG2:SS, I didn't. I actually found it on a playthrough a while back. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:18, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
I never said the list is complete. Anyway, you're anti-Obama? News to me. He's not the worst president who ever existed. He did get Osama and pulled our troops out of Iraq. Oh well, at least he gave you an award once. , 23:07, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, it was never in person. Anyways, I got the award simply because of my grades, nothing more. I'm anti-Obama largely because he's pro abortion. It also doesn't help that he wants to implement socialism in our country and quite frankly is also ruining our country. I'm Pro-Life, so I'm naturally against Abortion. BTW, if you have the demo, can you insert any Codec calls from the LQ-84I battle? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:17, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
I don't have the demo. I didn't even know it came out. 13:52, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


To answer your question, the article that you edited was meant for OPTIONAL Codec conversations (meaning, Codec calls that are entirely skippable). Mandatory Codec calls where the player has absolutely no control over when they appear, such as LQ-84I's conversation with Raiden shortly after its defeat, are not qualified for the article. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:27, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Did you see the new video of raiden battling Ray?

Yep. As a matter of fact, I actually added in the information from the video when I had the first opportunity. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:44, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Doktor's real name Edit

Pay some attention to the Japanese sites then. The MGR site was relaunched yesterday and Doktor's real name is mentioned in his character profile (本名ヴィルヘルム・フォークト). Arkhound (talk) 16:18, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that out after posting. Thanks anyway. Let's hope the MGR English site is relaunched soon, especially seeing how it constantly redirects to Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:40, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: BTW, can you add in anything about Courtney or Kevin Washington into their articles from that site? I'd do it myself, but Bing's translator is basically a mess, hugely broken sentences and almost illegible. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:45, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Recent edits.Edit

First yes I am hideo second my mistake

hey! Make sure you Buy Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance  on February 21

Okay, I guess that works.
Also, we try to make our edits based on stuff stated in the games as well as anything you or your staff stated, so we take our edits on this wiki very seriously.
Speaking of anything you say, can you give us a full verison of any of your commentary from Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 4/Portable Ops, Metal Gear Solid 3, and possibly Peace Walker? Muni Shinobu (the guy who usually tries to do translations of your commentary for those games) went off the radar before they were even completed (and in the case of Peace Walker, before even starting on it).
And I can't buy Revengeance since I don't have a PS3 or an XBox 360 (I'm more of a Nintendo guy, really). Now, if it came out for PC, I might consider buying it, though I'm not too keen with killing. Judeo-Christian morals and all, you know.
Oh, and next time you use a talk page or a user talk, use four tildes (ie: four "~"s), or just click on the signature button. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:50, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

The Raiden Article and Character Pictures in GeneralEdit

On the Raiden there is a section entitled 'Showdown at Colorado' in which quite the plot leak is detailed. If this information is reliable then I suggest we leave it on the page however this will likely need to be referenced or at the very least we must try to contact the editor who added this to find where he obtained this information.

In addition to this I think we should discuss the character images above the characters info box and how a majority of them are artwork rather than CG images. I think that a CG image with a white background would be more appropriate should we have it for that specific character.TheRainTransformed (talk) 15:56, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

I got the information relating to Showdown at Colorado here:
As for the claim that Raiden reverted to his Jack the Ripper personality, it was heavily implied in promotional materials, as well as confirmed by the developers, that Raiden will revert to his Jack the Ripper persona. THe article I linked to implies that the time he surrenders himself to his Jack the Ripper identity was while fighting Sam. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:07, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Where I got the Revengeance imagesEdit

I apologise for not replying and not acting on your suggestion to upload the pictures instead of the ones you uploaded but I have been busy and unfortunately I still am. Though should you feel it completely necessary to upload the images then here is the site I obtained them from but more specifically here is the article. May I suggest bookmarking this site as although it is french, the site appears to get exclusives and information quicker than any other fansite I've found.TheRainTransformed (talk) 15:56, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Apology about Kojima.Edit

i apoligize for the trouble me and my friend caused I dared him to Make a Hideo Kojima account and mess with people

You'll need to apologize to Bluerock as well. Just don't do it again. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:37, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

RE: MGS2 underwater mines Edit

MGS2 underwater mine

Sorry for the delay, but I finally uploaded a pic of the underwater mine from MGS2. Obviously, you can only find them underwater, so the image isn't 100% perfect.

--Bluerock (talk) 14:46, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's better than nothing. Thanks, BTW. I'll add it to the appropriate article. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:48, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 23:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hey hows it goin? now I just checked out the monsoon page and eithier Im insane or he threw a helicopter at raiden in the picture Could you help me out?

Thanks I will be sure to correct my mistakes. I just got really excited and started to type really fast when I saw more info about Metal Gear Rising that I could share with The MG wiki

That's all right. Happens to all of us. BTW, I know the achievements have pictures of them, but can we at least wait until the game is released before we jump the gun on the enemies names, particularly the Canard Rotor/Wing's name being Hammerhead? We still don't know too much about it, so we can't really jump the gun just yet, even with the images from the achievements/trophy lists. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:08, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah ok ok fine. But to be honest of you zoom in to the picture It does look like a helicopter

Warwolf001 (talk) 09:28, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey think about the helicopter this way, Look at the canard arangements, as well as the small fins and the tail of the aircraft right? and Look at how much ass it kicks That Is why the chopper is most likely named the hammerhead

Warwolf001 (talk) 22:22, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I am making a Adobe flash game about The Canard Rotor/Wing from MGS4 except it is going to have a different story line it wont have anything to do with MGS i just picked that aircraft model if you have any ideas like enemy aircraft, boss battles, etc Let me know

To be honest, there's little information I can provide regarding the aircraft model other than what is covered in-game and the limited real life information on it thanks to it being a scrapped aircraft. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:25, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

What's does "right hand man" and "lieutenant" mean?Edit

Snake said that Ocelot was Liquid's "right hand man" and Campbell said Gray Fox was Big Boss' most trusted "lieutenant". 16:44, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

It effectively meant that they were second in command or the most trusted ranked officer among them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:45, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I know the X-50 was scrapped. But If You could think of any aircraft that does not exist that would be cool

MGS2 Scope Edit

I already have BradyGames strategy guides for both MGS2 and Substance and I couldn't see any mention of binoculars in the Tanker chapter. --Bluerock (talk) 16:35, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I'll work on redoing some things now. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:38, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
There's always the possibility that it was said by someone else during the Plant Chapter, but I have yet to come across it. --Bluerock (talk) 16:39, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Things I likeEdit

I like...

  • ...Gray Fox
  • ...The Boss
  • ...Pizza
  • ...Video Games
  • ...Anime and Cartoons
  • ...Food 04:36, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, you could try The Boss Fan_____ (insert your gender here) or The Boss with a string of random numbers there. You could also try the same for Gray Fox. Since your username is applicable to any Wikia upon joining, you could try characters from places besides Metal Gear as well. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:37, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wiki-wordmark.png changeEdit

Hey, Weedle,

I was wondering if we could change the wiki-wordmark to something more... stylish. Like this with black font instead. I think it would be a bit... more appealing to users of the wiki than the current, which isn't correct actually (all of the letters should be in caps, similar to the MGS2 logo). So, how about it? Vanoden (talk) 03:08, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not actually in charge of the site, so I really can't comment one way or another. You could try Bluerock, Fantomas (whenever he's available) or Soul Reaper's input, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Kevin VA Edit

What do you mean "just in case," is it not confirmed? --Bluerock (talk) 19:02, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the person who first supplied the VA information for both Courtney and Kevin did not supply a source, and I couldn't find any sources on it. When I requested for a source, most of the people who confirmed that Courtney and Kevin were voiced by Wahlgren and LaMarr, respectively, they implied that their confirmation was simply due to vocal recognition, and not any officially documented confirmation. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:11, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 17:00, January 25, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

Hey I found out what the raptor is chek out the page i just made its cool

The poster writes STEVEN Thanashs (talk) 22:53, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, moved it back to Steven (can't believe I forgot about that, even with my near-identic memory). I also made sure to note the inconsistency in the BTS section. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:06, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the achievements.Edit

I didn't expect Armstrong to be the final boss of Rising. I thought he was just an ad character. I expected Sam or Sundowner to be the final boss. Anyway, I hope Rosemary and John's absences are explained. It doesn't look like they will be in the game. 15:36, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Koreikado did mention in a press release for Rising back in 2012 that Raiden joined Maverick to support his family. That doesn't quite explain after Africa, though, since he definitely has more than just family support to work with Maverick after that. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:45, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 19:36, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Im not sure I care. this wiki needs some funny content once in a while.

dont take it the wrong way but there really is nothing wrong with a picture of sundowner with the words U mad bro below him.

Warwolf001 (talk) 21:03, February 1, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

\Christ man... pay attention to the pictures and Videos the helicopters name is Hammerhead google it.

I know that's what Revengeance calls it. However, the article is still titled "Canard/Rotor Vehicle," and even if it's official name is indeed "Hammerhead," that doesn't mean it isn't a nickname in-universe. Remember the Gekko? That's their official name, yet in-universe, that's actually a nickname, while their actual name is IRVING. One last thing, try actually posting the topic header before making a comment unless it directly relates to the actual topic subject you're commenting on. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hammerhead Blueprints. [1]Edit

I saw a page with one little cutaway on the wikia and I made a few modifications/additions and uploaded so people can see the full model of the craft.

Hammerhead Blueprints.Edit

yes I do.

Warwolf001 (talk) 02:15, February 3, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

Hammerhead Blueprints.Edit

I just added the sensor on the left and Searchlight on the bottom of the aircraft. and I slightly highlited the engines and main rotor.

Hammerhead BlueprintsEdit

I didnt fully translate everything... yet.

Where's the Answer? Edit

Hey buddy yeah. I hate to tell you uh but you or anybody else haven't figure out how many cutscenes they are in the first 6 MGS games or how long it would take to watch them all. I think I asked this four years ago.Yeah it doesn't matter anymore since it's not that important anymore. Just letting you know.R.S 00:56, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I did try to jot down the cutscenes for MGS2, but before I could submit it, I got cut off, and I wasn't even able to copy the stuff so I could copy and paste it down. After that, I just gave up. Man, I kinda wish there were inuse tags for this site. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:59, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

File names Edit

Hey Weedle, next time you upload any images, can you please give them some meaningful names? This makes it easier to organize them. Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 18:03, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait, I had to get to campus a bit earlier than usual, and as it's Tuesday, I had to take about three hours worth of classes non-stop.
Anyways, regarding giving them meaningful names, I usually try to keep the images under their original names to make it a bit easier to track down where I got them from in case someone asks. However, I might rename them since I get enough requests/moves for them anyway. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:18, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
You can always put the source directly on the image's page. In fact, we should be doing this for all images, but we haven't been very good in this department as a wiki. --Bluerock (talk) 17:56, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, we can always start, although regarding directly linking the image to the source, that will be a problem for webpages that have long been archived or deleted, such as the MGO shop. BTW, speaking of file names, I discovered a program for retrieving files from even Solid State Drives, which means that, assuming it does do what it states it will do, it will at least retrieve most of my files, including my MGO images, from my cloned drive. However, that probably won't happen until possibly Winter 2012, as I have a lot of college work to do in the meantime (three to four essays to write, plus doing a powerpoint presentation, and possibly studying for at least two future tests, including listening to listening exercises and jotting down answers to questions, all before Spring Break on March, plus I most likely have to take summer courses so I'll be caught up and possibly have most of my classes out of the way before Fall 2012, and then finish up the remainder until I can hopefully graduate), contact a friend I know who knows a lot about computers so he can investigate the program before I can even hope to accomplish this. If I get my files back (which, given that I was near max-capacity prior to the crash, and even with the files I accumulated afterwards and right now, the files I have don't come close to the amount needed to delete most of my files if I save over them, meaning I'll at the very least retrieve most of my files if it does what it is implied to do). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:07, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
It's not that important if sites are currently offline, as long as this is also noted (and webpage archives can sometimes be linked to as well). Regarding the retrieval of your other files, it's better to focus on your studies, no doubt, so don't worry too much about it. --Bluerock (talk) 18:20, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm probably going to focus on my studies, so I can get out of College at Fall 2013 at the earliest. I'm not too trusting of my teachers right now, since I had to put up with some really bad teachers in the past. For example, my Chaucer class was run by a guy who seems to praise second-wave feminism, bashed Catholicism down to the ground at any opportunity he could get by claiming they were the founders of misogyny and the like, loves free sex, and seems to espouse socialistic beliefs, sometimes focusing more on that than the actual work itself. I did not sign up for a college course to be indoctrinated like at a POW camp, but unforunately, several professors were like that in my college experience. I'm giving this semester a chance, and so far there doesn't seem to be agendas being pushed (though I am getting an inkling that something may be pushed). However, if I get the sense they are pushing one of those agendas again, then graduation in Fall 2013 or not, I'm staying out of college. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:46, February 8, 2013 (UTC)


Warwolf001 (talk) 17:32, February 8, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001

Yeah that would also work...

I said Ragine raven from MgS4 like sliders ;) Thanashs (talk) 18:00, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

How you know that if you beat the game under 3 hours Armstrong will say an alternate dialogue ? Thanashs (talk) 12:55, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I learned it from someone on GameFAQs. Specifically, here: Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Irish vs GaelicEdit

Hi, I'm just writing in response to an edit you made wherein you cited "Adding appropriate language name. Irish is the name of the nationality. Gaelic is the name of the language." as the reason. (The page has been updated since to "Gaeilge")

This is a common misconception. The Celtic language spoken in Ireland is usually called "Irish" in English. "Gaelic" technically speaking is not a language in itself but a group of three Celtic languages: Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx. The English-language version of the Irish constitution lists "Irish" as the first official language of Ireland and students take exams in "Irish".  The European Union has "Irish" as one of its official languages. These days "Gaelic" to refer to Irish is considered something of an Americanism. 18:18, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not even close to Monsoon yet. Edit

I'm close to fighting Mistral. Looks like you don't need me though. You managed to find the codec conversation about Sundowner online. I'm trying to find as many codec conversations as I can while playing. The game is not as short as people say. Anyway, I hope you at least manage to play Ghost Babel one day. You said you were a Nintendo fan.

Oh. and I find it strange how N'mani's advisor just disappeared when the limo was attacked. I guess he could have escaped with Courtney. 15:32, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

I found a video walkthrough that was also dedicated to showing Codec calls from the game. They were lacking in Chapter R-01 to some extent, but they did cover a mother lode of them in Chapter R-02, even some that technically took place in R-01 (Hence where I found the Sundowner Codec). And I actually was planning on getting Ghost Babel, although actually getting it will take some time especially given College, as well as finding some passwords for eBay, and if necessary, Amazon. If not that, I guess I could always make a drive to a video game swap store downtown. I wouldn't be surprised if both Courtney and N'mani's advisor got caught in RAY's blasting the limousene, especially since one Codec call implied that Courtney was caught in that, but survived due to its armored nature. Might as well also get the Piggyback guide for Rising, maybe also get both the regular and collector's edition simply for comparison purposes in the event that they for some reason decide to do articles based on gaming manuals on the wiki (Hey, Wookieepedia does it). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:52, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fido was a real dog? Edit

News to me. I've heard the name used as sarcasm before. In Grand Theft Auto 3 for example. 16:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. I searched for any meanings for Fido on Wikipedia, and I found it. It's here, if you're curious: wikipedia:Fido (dog). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. As for Armstrong, I never said you lied. Unfortunately, the strategy guide doesn't mention an alternate ending and I have yet to find it on You Tube. The only time Raiden can knock out enemies is while controlling one of the Tripods. 16:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
Not truem using the wooden swords will knock out human enemies 8-Bit Jack (talk) 21:27, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

The "training." Edit

Since Foxhound no longer exists, I do wonder who were the other people he was "training" with. He never once says the group never existed. 16:52, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

They're either other candidates with the S3 Plan that the Patriots considered who were led to believe that they were chosen into FOXHOUND, or they were playing along with the charade to keep Raiden under the belief that he actually was in FOXHOUND. Probably the only thing that doesn't make any sense is why Solid Snake all of a sudden recanted in MGS4 and claimed Raiden was a FOXHOUND member? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:55, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
While the original FOXHOUND was disbanded, it did continue to exist after a fashion, as a virtual unit created by the Patriots. It wouldn't surprise me if there were other trainees in the program, with Raiden ultimately being selected for the Big Shell mission. --Bluerock (talk) 21:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Telekinesis? Edit

Could you please provide the codec conversation about the Beauty and The Beast having that power while hugging Snake?

I only know about the Codec conversation due to an edit another anon made to the BATB article. You can try to track him down. I'm not sure if its even on Youtube or anywhere. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Codec Edit

Haven't heard anything on that subject yet, no. From what I've heard there are 540 (!) Codec conversations in the game, I haven't yet got the trophy (which requires you hear 400 of them) but I'm working through trying to hear them all. Evil Tim (talk) 18:28, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, good luck getting them all. Oh, and when you do get them all, can you make sure to add in all of the Codec conversations to the Rising Codec page (that is, the ones that aren't already added in beforehand)? Also, be sure to notify me regarding whether or not Raikov is mentioned at all (whether by Boris or anyone else). I want to make some edits to Raikov's article, but I'm unwilling to make the edits until I'm absolutely certain Raikov is not mentioned at all. Don't want to prematurely state that Raikov isn't mentioned at all if he was in fact mentioned, after all. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:39, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
I got the trophy. Raikov is never mentioned at all. Dr. Clark and Colonel Gurlukovich are mentioned once. Otacon is mentioned several times. Raiden confirmed to Courtney that Otacon became Sunny's legal guardian. Snake is mentioned in conversations about Sliders and Dwarf Gekkos. -- 13:13, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
So you got at least 400 trophies. Did you get all 540? Until I know beyond any doubt that you, Evil Tim or anyone else got all 540 Codec calls and there isn't a single mention of Raikov anywhere, I cannot make any edits regarding the information I wish to post. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:21, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
No, not even close to 540. I think the guide may have made a mistake by saying 540 instead of 440. It's impossible to use the codec during VR missions or the prologue. 13:27, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
Wait, are you saying you GOT all of the Codec calls or you DIDN'T get all of the Codec calls? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:48, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
Are you seriously that slow? I said I got the trophy meaning I got MOST of the Codec calls. Not all of them. 14:14, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
No, no. I got that you got the trophy which meant that you got most of the Codec calls, at least, but your next reply made it ambiguous as to whether you actually did or not, as you both said that you "weren't even close" to getting all of them, but then claimed that the game's amount was closer to 100 less than what the guide indicated, implying that you might have been very close by at least 40 Codec calls, if not having received all of them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:40, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I got the trophy during the Pakistan mission after the first ranked battle. There are maybe 30 optional calls after that. I guess some of the codec calls I missed might be if Raiden fails to save the four civilians throughout the game and if he decides not to save the game while calling Courtney. 15:00, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, he confirmed that the beauties do cause fire with their hands. Edit

Which I can also confirm. That's it. 22:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Then what was that editor talking about regarding the Codec stating that the Beauties causing Snake to burn, and Rosemary telling him they had telekinetic powers? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:45, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
What was that guy in Gamefaqs talking about Armstrong saying Raiden was an American and number 1? 22:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
I asked about that, and (s)he said that it was after Raiden defeats him. I'll ask this user then. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:50, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, Otacon and Rosemary don't talk about fire or powers during the Octopus fight. I double checked. Maybe they say it during the other fights. 22:54, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I requested for the original editor to supply a video and transcript of those Codec calls. We'll see soon enough. Just so you know, he's the same editor who made significant progress in the Metal Gear Online-related edits. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:58, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

A question for you Edit

Why can't you use Youtube? Is it blocked in your country or something?

Actually, I can and HAVE been using it recently (In fact, that's where I got some of the Codec conversations in Rising from). However, some recent business policies of their owner Google (such as dealing with that Communist/pseudo-capitalist country, China, as well as donating to the Obama campaign) leave me reluctant to use any of Google's services. Besides, until my computer is back to status quo, I'm not willing to log in to Google for any reason, and its also a bit of a hotbed for virus activity. Considering what happened last October to my computer, I'm unwilling to put my computer at risk. The only reason I'm still using Microsoft is because I still have school to worry about. Until I'm out of school and have a good six months to utilize Linux software (not to mention back everything up into the cloud including recovered stuff), I can't get away from Microsoft for a while. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:05, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gekko Page Edit

Hello. I hope that my edits meet with the satisfaction of the site's administrators. I just found the previous version to be rather too compact and missing important details I observed when I played MGS4, such as Gekko not harming civilians. I do not know if I can be of much use here, though, as I in fact know very little about MGS. I did get some idea of the whole story from reading accounts of it online. The first time I played an MGS game was early last year. It was MGS3 HD. This game remains the single BEST game I have EVER played. MGS4 remains a close second. 

Thank you for adding details that, due to my general ignorance, I left out.


HighOnDefinition (talk) 12:52, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I haven't played much Metal Gear myself (I only played Twin Snakes, Portable Ops, Portable Ops Plus, Peace Walker, and Snake Eater 3D), but I did do my research anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Outer Heaven Edit

I recieved your message but one thing is MSF was part of the Outer Heaven because BIG BOSS wanted his whole army take control. Also he wanted solidiers without boaders this his speech about his Outer Heaven. "We will forsake our countries. We will leave our motherlands behind us and become one with this earth. We have no nation, no philosophy, no ideology. We go where we're we needed, fighting not for country, not for government, but ourselves. We need no reason to fight. We fight because we are needed. We will be the detterent for those with no other recourse. We are soldiers without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in. We will sometimes have to sell ourselves and services. If the times demand it, we'll be revolutionaries, criminals, terrorists. And yes, we may all straighted to hell. But what better place for us than this? It's our only home. Our heaven and our hell. This is Outer Heaven." BIG BOSS speech in Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker. This is Fatalshotone message me back please    

Yeah, I understood that. However, you shouldn't have removed the uniform. The MSF was present during the 1970s. The one you removed was from the 1990s. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:54, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Outer Heaven Uniform 1990s Edit

Okay but how would you know if that regional of the Outer Heaven uniform? Because I disagree. Also the symbol is the MSF even though it doesn't have name Outer Heaven its still represents them. Please message me back please 

We know because that's the uniform Snake had to use to enter the second building of Outer Heaven's fortress in South Africa, by disguising himself as one of the officers. And they also have another symbol used during the 1990s (the winged skull with the left-facing swastika). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:02, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

The winged skull with the left-facing swastika Edit

I disagree with that because Outer Heaven doesn't represent anything got to with swastika. The people believe its about Nazi's but its not Outer Heaven is just meceneray group nothing go to do with Nazi's or anything like that. Thats why I disagree with the winged skill with left facing swastika symbol. Please message me back.

Hey, I disagree with it as well (plus, technically, it's not the same swastika as the Nazis, anyway. The Nazis utilized the right-facing one. Outer Heaven used the left-facing one). Unfortunately, what we think of it doesn't matter, what matters is that its official, so like it or not, we still have to use that as the logo. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:14, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I think the swastika (The proper one, not the Nazi one) is perfect for Outer Heaven. It symbolizes peace and unity, the very concept of Outer Heaven. 04:26, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Portable Ops's canonicity. Edit

Kojima finally confirmed it's canon? Great news. 19:26, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think he confirmed it a while back in a KojiPro podcast. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:16, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

misc locations Edit

I'm moving to split all the "miscellaneous" pages as they are too large and broad in scope. The Garzburg omission was a simple error. --Bluerock (talk) 21:14, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I understood that you were moving the pages. I was just surprised that you would move Garzburg to Europe or omit it altogether. Oh well, at least I moved that to the appropriate area. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:16, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Good catch on the crying wolf page: I confess I only made the change to check for competence on the wiki. Pretty funny goof on Konami's part, though 8-Bit Jack (talk) 21:26, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Spiritual Technology... Edit

The term スピリチュアルテクノロジー is used in the in-game description, which can also be found on the DLC section of the Japanese site. I don't think they actually describe what "spiritual technology" is or how it works. Arkhound (talk) 22:51, March 25, 2013 (UTC)


I'm glad to also see I'm not the only one surprised by Che Guevara getting a lot of support by Big Boss, Miller, Amanda and Chico in Peace Walker. I'm no expert in history but I thought Che was a terrorist. Granted he didn't destroy the Twin Towers but still. 18:05, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, he didn't, but he did come close to an event in New York that would have made even 9/11 seem like a Sunday Picnic (and that's no easy thing to say). Basically, he planned something called the Black Friday Massacre, where he and his cohorts would detonate explosives at Macys and other stores in New York during Black Friday (the day after Thanksgiving), and would have succeeded had the FBI not tracked down the explosives. Had he succeeded, and had the FBI not been able to stop his plan, I can guarantee you that the terrorist attack would have claimed much more lives than even al Qaida's 9/11 could have dreamed of. The guy should have been remembered as the most complete monster of our time, not the most complete man. Speaking of that statement, did you know that the guy who came up with that phrase and name, Satre, was a Communist in bed with the KGB, and that he was also responsible alongside Castro for that "myth" on Che (more accurately a lie)? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:07, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


I sincerely hope it's him. We never did get an answer to his fate after Portable Ops. At least with Johnny, him being mentioned in the present tense in Peace Walker and the concept art for his planned appearance in MGS4 confirms that he survived Grozny Grad's destruction. 14:05, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, let's hope. I don't really like loose ends, so I hope that guy is Raikov and he is given a definite fate in this game. I still wonder how he caught on fire, though, assuming it is him that is (then again, assuming he's the guy who pointed a gun at Snake when Mantis was nearby, that may be the reason). Similarly, I hope they also give a hint to Python's fate either in this game or in a future game. Regarding Johnny, Volgin must have been in a really merciful mood if he let Johnny live after Snake escaped, considering that he threatened Johnny with execution if he failed to keep Snake alive or prevent his escape. Then again, he let the Ocelot Unit live despite their quite clearly failing to capture Sokolov when they had the chance. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:11, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. As for the other characters, I doubt Cecile is still a member of the MSF by the events of Ground Zeroes. She's not a fighter. Amanda is probably fighting in Nicaragua. Don't know about Strangelove though. -- 14:41, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
The ending of Peace Walker does imply that she at least marrys Huey in the future, although that's still unconfirmed. If true, she most likely survived. Regarding Cecile, she may not be a fighter, but Cecile was at least implied to be a scout and cook during Peace Walker, if we buy the briefing tapes and Paz's diaries. If she either escaped or wasn't even at Mother Base, she's probably back in Paris, France. Who knows, she may be Holly White's french mother who was alluded to in her bio in MG2. Since Miller doesn't seem to be with Snake during the Phantom Pain (by that, I mean the awakening sequence, as its still implied to be two different games by Boor), I suspect that the coma is where they parted ways. And Amanda might be fighting in Nicaragua after Paz's betrayal (we know she was definitely part of Mother Base beforehand as a cook thanks to Paz's diary entry about pallo ginto), although Chico being captured by XOF after an implied reconnaissance mission indicates otherwise. Well, we'll see at E3 at least, seeing how we still haven't gotten a lead-in to the story yet. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:51, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Strangelove was Julie Danziger. Both are British and don't mind seducing barely legal teenagers. XD -- 17:31, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Wasn't Strangelove persona non grata from Britain though (at least, that what Miller seemed to indicate)? Plus, knowing how Strangelove, even with her being bisexual, isn't really too trusting of men besides Huey, and even he needed to work extremely hard to earn reciprocation of her feelings, I'm doubtful she would have simply let Robinson try to take advantage of her own daughter like that. And if that pool is outdoors, I'm doubtful Strangelove would be the type to swim outdoors given her albino skin condition. Still, overall a good theory, although it seems to be implied that she is Hal's mom. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:37, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Never heard of the term "persona non grata". Anyway, I'm just speculating due to Gamefaqs members thinking Huey and Strangelove got married. -- 17:41, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
"Persona non grata" is latin for "an unwelcome person." It effectively means she was banned from returning from the UK. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:43, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, never mind then. Danziger isn't Strangelove. -- 17:46, April 20, 2013 (UTC)


Hey Weedle, I've fixed/edited as well as added quotes for some of the characters at the top of their page. While I tried to pick quotes that encapsulates the character's beliefs and speech-type, I'm unsure about Liquid Ocelot's case. I initially picked a different quote until I changed it to the current one, but knowing how nit-picky some people are about his character, I'd just like to ask you if you could check which quote is better for him through his Edit History (you can undo the current revision if you feel that his previous quote was better). DementedP (talk) 04:59, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hard to say between the celebration of the freedom from the Patriots thing and the whole Wild West thing. That really just depends on interpretation, really. Plus, I'm not really good with determining the best personality traits unless they are flat-smack-dab obvious. You can ask Bluerock, though. He's probably of far better knowledge than I am. Fantomas also works as someone more knowledgeable in that area. I may know more than my Autistic peers, but compared to normal people (I myself am Autistic), I'm still clueless regarding it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:35, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Hey Weedle, are you aware that you're linked into the Wiki chat? I only ask because you didn't respond either today or yesterday. --Bluerock (talk) 17:22, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

So that's why my IE icon was glowing orange for some reason... Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:24, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Feel free to use it though. It's quicker than talk pages, though conversations aren't recorded. --Bluerock (talk) 17:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'll pass. I'm nervous around chatrooms because of some things from TV that showed the dangers of chatrooms. Case in point, the episode Sister Sister had the twins go to an apartment belonging to a supposed fashion designer named "Verique" only for it to turn out that he was a sex offender, among other things. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Not really the same though, is it? It's just for discussing ideas on the Wiki among multiple people, so no different to talk pages really. Anyway, it's your choice, just thought it might be useful. --Bluerock (talk) 22:23, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Rising's codec conversations Edit

Here's a link to most of Rising's codec conversations. 16:10, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look them over. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:43, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I missed the conversations about Desperado's rocket launcher (I guess because I ninja killed a lot of enemies) and a conversation during Armstrong's fight. 16:52, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Are they in English, BTW? I looked at the site, but it seemed to be largely in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or whatever. I'm not good at all at Chinese and Korean, and while I may know some Japanese, it's certainly not even close to enough to get through the site, especially Kanji. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:06, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
The conversations are in two languages. Chinese AND English as you can see in this link.

-- 17:41, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

BTW, managed to find the Desperado rocket launcher convo, just so you're aware. Will input it very soon. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:17, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, the fuel cells conversation is different if the gauge is only half empty. Raiden will say something "Dok, my fuel cells are running low. What happens if I completely tap them out?". -- 18:37, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

The tailoring Edit

Yeah, that only happens if Raiden uses blade mode on any of the hostages after he rescues them. It's obviously not canon (it's like attacking EVA or Meryl) so there's no need to post them. -- 21:28, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but then again, some people have posted stuff that wasn't exactly canon on other convo articles as well (ie, "Snake's a Bully", referring to the series of radio calls that can be used if the player beats up EVA during the escort mission late into the game). Anyways, canon or no, I'm not comfortable with those calls. If someone wants to do them, fine, but I'm not unless its unavoidable. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:35, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, that part reminds me, does the mission support members make any calls relating to what happens if the third hostage (in R-03) is rescued, period (ie, not cutting their clothes off)? The only Codec calls I could find from the site you supplied me with related to either what happens if you... "tailor" them or otherwise were unable to save them. I know that the hostage obviously did something that ticked World Marshal off, based on the dialogue between the hostage and the soldiers, so I'm curious as to what their comments are. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:11, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Just so you're aware, the convo articles were never really designed to be in-universe, as they are more akin to scripts for reference purposes. Therefore, anything can be added there, since they highlight all the humorous and non-canon topics, along with other interesting info. --Bluerock (talk) 23:04, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
My mistake. Anyway, no, the mission support does not make any new comments for the third or fourth hostage. -- 23:28, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and sorry for not getting back to you sooner: The wi-fi modem went haywire and I wasn't able to use the internet for a while. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:25, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

The background looks like the Middle East.Edit

I never got that conversation because I took care of the Mk II. Also, thanks for posting the information from the conversations I provided. Much appreciated. One day, I'll play MGS4 again so I can post the conversation about wolves guarding the grave of Crying Wolf. Go figure that's the one conversation YouTube doesn't have. -- 12:12, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

I heard there was a conversation relating to the electrified floors in MGS4, although someone couldn't find them despite remembering them, and from the way that person was talking, it wasn't even uploaded on youtube (at least, that's what I read on MGSForums, anyway, times may have changed). I currently have at least one paper to work on (among other school-related things) so I can't say I'll continue much with it until possibly May, but I'll make sure I finish them up when time allows. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:27, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Not a codec conversationEdit

That information is revealed after beating one of No. 4's VR missions. I was never able to beat all of them due to them being too hard. I think he said Parker's daughter committed suicide. 17:52, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Don't have the game, but I found the info on TVTropes. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:08, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: NES classic map (and possibly manual) Edit

I managed to get the images you asked for. I tried to get some others too but encountered the same problem you described.

--Soul reaper (talk) 07:46, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

First I've heard about the Boston attacks (and had just read up on Breitbart and PJMedia about them as well). Then again, its somewhat to be expected. I remember OWS trying to bomb a bridge in Ohio last year, that plus the Benghazi attacks on the US Consulate on September 11, 2012. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:30, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

It's already posted. Edit

The conversation where Kevin calls Raiden a "fanboy" and "stalker". 22:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

None that I'm aware of.Edit

I used the codec after getting the homing missiles but they surprisingly didn't comment on them. -- 22:18, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

The government official in Portable Ops was American?Edit

I assumed he was Russian since the base was Russian. 14:28, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

The game made it very clear from Ghost, Roy Campbell, and Naked Snake that the guy was a member of the American government who decided to aid Gene in his goal. What wasn't made clear, however, was whether he aided them of his own volition or if he had done so under orders of either the CIA or the DOD. I'll add in the source later. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Strange misspelling in "Similarities between games" Edit

In the Metal Gear Rising section of Similarities between games, there's a part talking about "Liquid Ocelot locating the pyx while Snake is engaged with Raging Raven in Metal Gear Solid 4". What is this "pyx" supposed to be? MarqFJA (talk) 18:18, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

It's referring to a type of boat. Big Mama references it in Act 3. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:26, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ad Banner Edit


I'm an admin at the Toriko Wiki. I was reading some stuff about Revengeance, when I came across this... So I was wondering: did u put the ad banner urself, or asked the wiki to do it? There was that ad for the Toriko dvds that I was thinking of putting instead of the usual ads on the wiki... is that possible? Sorry if i'm bothering --Zangetsukakashi 21:26, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Weedle, the picture I removed it is indeed a picture that Kojima twitted, but it is not a Fox Engine photo... It is an image from the movie "Drive", a movie he was watching that week. It is not a Pizza delivery guy rendered in the engine.

"Drive" Trailer

MGS:PW theme Edit

Mgs pw2
Hi, I saw the image of the Peace Walker xmb theme on the Peace Walker page, and I was curious as to where/how I can get that theme (or if it even exists). Not sure if this is where I ask questions, but yeah. Thanks!
I found it on MGSForums. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:22, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

The end Edit

fair enough. 

Custom AI weapon calls Edit

When are they mentioned? I didn't think they were canon. They are exact duplicates of the boss battles. 22:15, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, it's unlocked upon completing a mission immediately after putting Huey into the R&D team of Mother Base. Huey basically discusses some things about Metal Gear, and he also mentioned that Big Boss can recover head parts from the AI weapons if they are intact. The only time head parts are actually procured is during the Custom AI weapon battles. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:22, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, my mistake. I thought head parts were caught during any of the regular battles. I double checked the strategy guide. You're right.-- 22:31, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

I don't speak Japanese Edit

It does seem to take place shortly before Raiden went to Abkhazia. We know Wolf was in Denver in 2016. -- 16:08, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, just saw the ending (English), and it definitely confirms that it took place immediately prior to Raiden's arrival in Abkhazia. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:11, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing Edit

Hey Weedle, I noticed you often quote sources in edit comments, but rarely add these directly to the article. Please do the latter instead, as this will prevent other users from potentially removing info by mistake, which may appear to have no references (edit comments are more for describing the actual change to an article; e.g. "adding source") . Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 19:22, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Just read. Edit

I want you if you don't mind read my newest blog and tell me your opinion about David Hayter. If you don't mind.R.S 22:46, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

The Desert Storm Edit

Is that an alias or just the definition of the word "Khamsin" like how Mistral called herself "the cold wind of France"? 14:12, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hard to say, though the way he introduces himself suggests an alias. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:14, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hair colours Edit

Here's an old interview where Shinkawa speculates that Snake is a natural blond (control-F for "blond") which was the original reason for them not having the same hair colour. So yeah, he actually is blond in MGS1's intro and it was changed in Twin Snakes.

I forget precisely where I saw the other (probably one of the many gaming sites that's since vanished off the internet), it was an interview talking about how around the time of MGS2 Kojima and Shinkawa were discussing a redesign of Big Boss and whether he should be blonde, but eventually decided he should have dark hair. Shinkawa speculated that Liquid's hair must be blond because it was bleached by his time in the desert. Evil Tim (talk) 06:32, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the spare bodies article Edit

Here's the special stages script for Ghost Babel. Make good use of it. 19:37, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. It had enough info to warrant its own article.
And thanks for the script. I'll add in any and all details when I have time (right now, I have at least one paper, maybe two, to worry about, as I'm taking Core 402 so its out of the way). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:35, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

apperances Edit

I think we should have one for the series and another for other media. ZombieVito (talk) 03:23, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Good idea. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

MGS5 Coma Edit

While you're right that the exact circumstances are not fully confirmed yet, the injuries from the attack on Mother Base may still have caused Big Boss to enter a coma later on. --Bluerock (talk) 07:47, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point, but the problem is that part of the VGA trailer (3:14-3:17, more specifically) shows Kaz banging the chopper door angrily, strongly implying they had managed to evacuate by that time, and Big Boss doesn't even look like he had been injured. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:42, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. Maybe their chopper was shot down in an ambush after they escaped. Something big had to have caused Big Boss to be in a coma for nearly a decade. 13:02, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
I'm doubtful that its a chopper being shot down either, as Big Boss was seen with those exact cuts as the chopper was flying around (seen at the beginning of the VGA trailer, and no, I'm doubtful it was headed to Mother Base, as we already saw the attack on Mother Base and unless he got Wesker's healing ability, he wasn't injured at all.). Most likely, he and Kaz fought with something that resulted in their injuries. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:07, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

He doesn't have an excuse during the Fire Trooper fight Edit

He tells Snake to stay away from Diane. 23:49, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, managed to find it. Found it odd that the FAQ I was searching through did not even show that call during the actual Fire Trooper boss fight, though. Here's the walkthrough I was looking at, BTW: a three-fer containing Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge, and Metal Gear 2. For the record, that FAQ is also where I got the screenshot for the chopper pilot in Snake's Revenge and the screenshot with the cigarettes/watch/fatigues/bulletcasing in the intro of MG2. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, seriously? Edit

The attack at Pearl Harbor only started American involvement in WWII. The war started years before when Hitler started invading countries in Europe. -- 12:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know I know, it was a big mistake, a stupid one, not to mention, as was my edit to the Miller, MG2, and radio conversation pages. I won't make that mistake again. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:17, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Well, here's most of the optional codec conversations for MG2 in case you didn't read them. The only changes seems to be the William Morgan reference and "freaks" using the MSX though maybe the fan translators added the latter themselves.

-- 13:17, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, Kasler can only be contacted during boss fights. Edit

I guess when Campbell said enemy weapons, he meant the Hind. Campbell, Miller and Holly are the only characters that can be called at anytime. -- 22:52, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Just wanted to make sure. So I guess MGS is the first game to actually give full-detail descriptions for weapons and items, then? I also guess that Big Boss must have hated the officer uniforms for Outer Heaven, seeing how, when asked by Snake, he compared them to a girl's high school uniform. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that comment was odd but the NES version is even more strange. In that version, Big Boss calls them "cute little sailor suits." I also find it strange that Big Boss doesn't seem to understand about cardboard boxes being used as hiding tools in both versions. Anyway, MGS is definitely the first game to give full-detail descriptions. -- 22:59, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, found that odd as well. Then again, Kojima didn't exactly plan ahead regarding this game, as he intended for it to be the end of the series (or rather, the only game in the series, in this case). Probably would have been final had Snake's Revenge not come out. Well, at least there were detailed descriptions in the manual for MG2, so its no real loss. So I guess he can't be contacted during the fight with Metal Gear D, then? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:05, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Strangely, no one can be contacted during that fight. Anyway, sorry for not giving you the codec scripts sooner. I had assumed you read them since you do have an account at Gamefaqs. -- 23:08, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Guess it's an "all up to you" moment, then. I'll try to note the uniform info somewhere, particularly the NES version's description from Big Boss. I already noted the MSX2 version's (well, technically PS2 version, but still) description from Big Boss in his article. And it's all right. I may have an account, but I haven't quite read through all of the FAQs. Actually, I did find a text dump, but I'm not sure that was meant to mean anything. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
Those responses to certain items just illustrated Big Boss's sense of humor. Also, Big Boss using cardboard boxes himself to hide in was a retcon made way later, in MGS3. --Bluerock (talk) 23:59, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Good call about Paz and ChicoEdit

That scarred guy was lying when he said he had her killed. And Chico is seen alive after being saved from the camp. -- 19:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

And it couldn't have been Amanda either, as there was no reference to her at all in the Ground Zeroes trailer. If Skull-Face was telling the truth, he probably meant another female he knew at some point in his life. I'm getting the feeling that Paz being an (presumably) unwilling suicide bomber will come to pass, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:03, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Well, at least we now know that the guy in the beret is definitely Kaz and not Gene. Don't know why he's torturing Huey though. Thought they were kinda friends. As for Amanda, I assume she'll be mentioned like Rosemary was in Revengeance.-- 19:14, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Something must have happened, very bad, for things to come this way. And since Ocelot is doing the torturing and Miller is wearing the DD logo on his beret, I guess Ocelot might be a member of the DD? Quiet also seems to be undergoing similar torture. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:30, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe an unofficial member. EVA did say that Ocelot idolized him so it would make sense for him to be working for Big Boss. -- 19:33, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Device in Paz's StomachEdit

I don't want to start an edit war so, where is it confirmed that it's an explosive device? If it's not stated in the trailer then we're best off calling it an unknown device until we get confirmation --MOB-4-Life (talk) 19:06, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it has a red light that goes on and off. Plus, why else would someone put something in a person's stomach? -- 19:16, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
It could also be a tracking device.. or something else. Best to just leave it as an unknown device rather than adding speculative and potentially misleading information in the article. --MOB-4-Life (talk) 20:46, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
By the way Weedle, what discussions are you referring to? It's just the song in the trailer for those scenes right? --Bluerock (talk) 20:50, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, when the extended trailer came out, several people were talking about the device they pulled out of her stomach as if it were a bomb. One example would be here: Ninth post down, to be precise. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:58, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
Oh ok. Fan discussions can't be used as evidence though. --Bluerock (talk) 21:03, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

link? Edit

weren't they confirmed as one game?

Wish I could give you the link right now, but its late and my house, not mention most of my community underwent a massive power outage. Its only been possibly 4hours at most since we even got wifi line for cell communications back. I`ll give you a link as soon as power is restored. For now, you can Check the discussion at rhe MGSV Page. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 06:40, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, power is back at my house, so I can now supply you with the exact source:
"To clarify, will Ground Zeroes be part of The Phantom Pain or released separately?
So you can think of it that Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is the big game and within that the first prologue to it is Ground Zeroes.
As you saw in the trailer, The Phantom Pain provides a vast world where the player can really go anywhere and get lost. But for past Metal Gear fans used to a linear experience it would probably be hard for them to get used to that without having a prologue and a way to get used to it. So Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes is an interpretation to really give them a very short, smaller version of that scale.
In The Phantom Pain there are real-life day and night cycles but in Ground Zeroes the weather doesn't change and it's at night time. This is to help the past Metal Gear fans to get used to the fact that it's now open-world.

:But will it be released separately?

We can't talk about how we're going to release it because we still haven't decided yet."
Make of it what you will. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:19, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

This is the complete list of the Colonel AI's bizarre codecs Edit

I never got the "game overs" or "you haven't reported in for a long time" calls so I can't confirm if they are valid. -- 13:02, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. And for the record, here's the image screenshots that I alluded to:; and here's the place I found them at: I doubt fan-made screenshots would have been used for what amounted to a trivia section for a game regarding tropes in the game. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:06, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
The MGS1 and Ghost Babel portraits only pop up for like a second and are random. They can show up in any conversation. -- 13:23, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Special Item Briefing translations Edit

Here are the translations for the Japanese-only special item briefing tapes. Arkhound (talk) 05:29, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Retort pouched curryEdit

Good news, Snake! We've successfully invented the retort pouched curry!
Say what!?
It wasn't easy. Our only reference were those vacuum-packed sausages they used for rations in the U.S. military. Adjusting the pressure and temperature during the sterilization process was quite difficult. It took a lot of trial and error to get it right.
These are the same kind of retort pouches used to package space food as well. And our staff somehow managed to reproduce this technology on their own? Humph. Not too shabby. Let me have a taste then! Just tear the pouch and...
Hold it, Snake!
What is it now?
You have to boil them in hot water fist.
And how long does it take?
Around three minutes.

Bon CurryEdit

Kaz, it's been three minutes already!
You're still a child of patience.
Smells good.
Mmmmm tasty! This is a pretty tasty dish, Snake!
I agree! This is pretty good.
The vegetables still have a sweet taste... They didn't have their freshness absorbed into the rue.
I could eat something as delicious as this on a battlefield.
Then it's settled! We'll name this dish "Bon Curry"! In case you're wondering, the "Bon" comes from the French word for "good" or "delicious".
Why the French name?
...Well, uh... It was for that lovely Parisienne...
Well, whatever. "Bon Curry"... doesn't sound too bad. A breakthrough in military rations.


Do you like tortillas, Snake?
Why the sudden interest?
It's a typical Central American dish made of corn flour. A favorite of mine back in the States.
Never tried one, but I heard of them.
Snake, what if I told you that you could savor the delicious taste of a tortilla at any place, any time?
Wouldn't be too convenient during a mission. It would occupy too much space.
Not anymore. Our R&D department have just invented a type of fried tortilla that is cut into little triangular bits. Tortilla chips that you can carry anywhere. We're calling them "Doritos".
It's Spanish for "little nuggets of gold", named after the color of the tortillas when fried.

Mountain DewEdit

Don't you wish you had a beverage you could take with you during a mission?
Don't worry about that. I already got my maté.
Maté is good and all, but... don't you wish for something carbonated instead?
Maybe, but I can't be too picky over what I bring to a battlefield. It's not like I'm going to Time Square for a shopping spree.
No need to worry about that, Snake. Our R&D staff have just invented a new soft drink. We're calling it "Mountain Dew"!
Mountain Dew!
Yes. A refreshing citrus flavored drink reminiscent of the great outdoors. It's lightly carbonated too, so you can drink in gulps even when tired.

Pepsi NEXEdit

Snake, our R&D division have just come up with another soft drink.
Don't bother. We'll do fine with just the maté and the Mountain Dew. Those are enough for me.
You think so? But you really ought to try it first. Once you do, you'll be hooked. In fact, I'm already hooked myself.

Miller pulls out the soft drink and drinks it in front of Snake.

It has a thick, but sharp taste... Very refreshing.
...You shouldn't get too addicted to that stuff, what with all its calories...
It has none!
None? Did I hear that right?
That's right, a zero calories drinking sensation!
You won't believe it even after trying it. There's nothing like it on the market.
That's right. It won't be long before all the cool people in the world will be hooked on it.
Aspirations breeds aspirations, eventually becoming a giant vortex that envelops all of mankind.
Snake, or should I say Boss, right now you're at the center of that very vortex. Be the first to usher this new era.
That's a pretty bold statement, even though I had nothing to do with its creation... What are you calling it anyway?
The name of your soda...
Its name is... Pepsi NEX...
Pepsi... NEX...
Snake and Miller (in unison)
Pepsi NEX!!

Thanks. There was one below the Bon Curry tape, but I couldn't find it on Youtube. Maybe I'll try to videotape that briefing tape and email it to you? Either way, I'll definitely make sure I add this information in. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, that part has been translated as well. I realized there was a tape missing in your Youtube links, so I took the liberty of looking it up on another video site (Niconico Douga). Arkhound (talk) 05:48, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry, I realized that after you posted it. I'll try to send you videos of the Japanese model descriptions of those items for translation if you wish to translate them, though, after I make them that is. I'd do the translations myself, but seeing how I only have elementary 1 and parts of elementary 2 Japanese under my belt (and honestly, even if I had all the Japanese courses under my belt, it would still mean nothing because my Japanese books don't even cover all the Kanji characters, or their translations). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
PS: I wonder why AXE didn't make the cut for briefing files, even in the Japanese version? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 06:43, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Who was the sponsor you mentioned?Edit

Sigh... First Lady Obama's "Let's Move." Less said, the better for all of us. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:11, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Just asking. -- 18:13, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
Understood. Either way, I might have to switch to Linux in Summer 2013 at the earliest, and depending on how things go with the series, I might have to leave the Metal Gear Wiki as well (although not before taking care of some unfinished business regarding this site first). Actually, I had planned to switch from Windows to Linux since at least 2012, but College-related materials forced me to delay (as Colleges are becoming more and more cyberspace-based, trying to get rid of my internet, or undergo significant delays trying to master a new system, would be suicide, and I estimate I'd need six months, if not a year, just to master Linux, hence why I feel as though I have to delay using it. Personally, I'd switch now if I could.). It largely had to do with some actions that were being done by Bill Gates regarding vaccines and Third World countries (he basically implied that he wanted those vaccines to depopulate the third world, something I do not support), that as well as his pro-Abortion status as well as Microsoft's involvement in the PRISM scandal. Am also wondering whether to even put all my files on the Cloud instead of an external hard drive, especially seeing that it is a NSA database center in Utah, and considering the current NSA scandal going on, not to mention PRISM, I'm not too trusting of Dropbox or Carbonite right now. As far as why I'm considering leaving the site, and the series, its because some aspects of the game are having way too much negative impacts on me. The Anti-Americanism in it is but one. The whole Reloaded-esque scene with the AI and Raiden in MGS2 was another (by that I mean it was very similar to the whole Architect scene from Reloaded, which had a lot of negative implications on how God was presented. I've already got a fear-based relationship with God as it is thanks to Raiders of the Lost Ark, and I'm not sure whether to continue). However, I cannot leave until I restore several files that got deleted in a virus attack last October, including several MGO-related images, so those are out of the way, stuff that I would have finished up during Summer 2012, but College forced me to put off, and then the virus attack occurred. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:31, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Kojima has stated that Quiet will still make small noises. These details are also noted in Quiet's article.

Just friendly messageEdit

Hey Weedle, I'm new to this wiki(a) and noticed you make quite a lot of contributions to the wiki and your user page caught my attention as I'm autistic too, of the Asperger's variety.... I'm also a few days younger than you as I was born on the 23rd...

PS.. you should consider archiving your talk page its getting a bit long/big  Kmg90 (talk) 03:16, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, Saucy Weedle Edit

It's really just an way of describing to him. It's not an alias. It would be pretty much the same as if I referred to you as saucy. Now if they had said something like, oh I don't know, "Dumbass Jack", would we have put that in his list of names? (By the way, sorry, but my signature doesn't work here)

Lol, you know Weedle.

Collective ConsciousnessEdit

I saw your modification about the lyrics of Collective Consciousness at the beginning. They do not say "We are", is simply the word "The" extended few seconds, nothing more.

What sense has "We are the unenlightened masses, they cannot make the judgement call"? Absolutely nothing, lyrics are talking about other people. The lyric of a song is correlative, although is written in vertical verse does not mean that every sentence is independent. Your ear is broken man, more than 4 months from the release and there are still people who changed the lyrics...

Rules of Nature (talk) 19:26, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

No. 4's commentary Edit

Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the various subjects they relate to? --Bluerock (talk) 20:44, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thought I'd source the kinds of commentary that No. 4 mentioned, since the BTS section mentioned it. If you wish, I'll delete them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:52, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
Seems like overkill to include all those conversations. The Galuade Incident article will reference any of No. 4's info, for anyone whose curious about them. --Bluerock (talk) 21:25, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Personal views Edit

They were not my personal views, they're the general reviews of the games. It's what pretty much everyone says.

Hmm, fair enough, although we still might need some sources for that if we're going to keep them in. For that matter, I might as well do the same myself with some things. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:25, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry to barge in Mr. McKairybug, but if I may. I don't believe some people's personal opinions or..."reviews" of the Metal Gear games should belong in the articles, and they should go into the forums. I'm sorry for intruding and I shall not do this again. Croyez-en les Militaires Sans Frontières! (talk) 00:29, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

They were personal views. They were not sourced, they were not even remotely well written and the reeked of bias. Opinions go in the reception section of the game in question, and consist only of what is written in "credible" sources and sales figures. You simply expressed either what you felt or what you had read in comments sections, neither of which have any place on this wiki outside of forums. "Pretty much everyone" is not a provable statement.--Soul reaper (talk) 08:11, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

About those promo codes... Edit

Hey there. :)

I just tried the codes you provided and some of them works which is a good news but some are not which is a bad news to me. Sorry if I asked this, but I was wondering if you kindly share your save data so that I can wear them promo t-shirts during the missions. It looks awesome while wearing your favorite brand/products on the go. Reply back after you read this and thanks! :D

~ MBJ_01

P.S Yes, I do notice it's for Japanese version but I have the Jap version of the game so it's a no problem for me. :)

The codes you used that didn't work most likely were the codes I already used. I'm honestly a bit surprised that the Walkman and Hori shirts could even be used twice. Well, that probably scratches off my planned use of the remaining codes. At least I got both Pepsi NEX t-shirts and Mountain Dew t-shirts and thus could implement the information.
As far as sharing save data, can you explain to me how I can do it? I've never shared save data before, so I honestly don't know how to do it. As soon as I know how to do it, feel free to have a copy of my save data.
BTW, you said you have the Japanese version (and I presume the English version)? I have some questions to ask you: Namely, are you also capable of recording gameplay videos directly from the PSP, like for a playthrough on youtube or something? I'm asking because I'm actually going to need someone who could try to record some videos from the PSP, specifically, Extra Ops battles with the AI weapons for both Japanese DLC options (ie, both accented voices and human voices DLC), as well as the English Human voices and to some extent the descriptions of Japanese DLC on the Extras Menu that are long enough to require their own scrollbar. I was going to do it myself, but I don't actually have the capability of recording directly from my PSP, and since I'm doing a virus scan that's barely even halfway done after four days, I can't actually download the necessary firmware to accomplish this from my main computer right now (I might with my laptop, though), so if you know how to do it and have the capacity of doing it, I'd really appreciate it if you could make some gameplay videos of each of the AI weapons and each of the DLC AI voices together and upload them onto the wiki, and a brief GIF depicting the scrolling of the PSN descriptions of SF Magazine, both Volume 6 and 8 of Arakawa Under the Bridge, and the four Monster Hunter T-shirts, especially seeing how I've got college on my hands right now, and the announcement of DLC ending in September 30 caught me offguard. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:14, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
You can upload your save data to MediaFire. It's a free file hosting service and you don't need to create an account, but I suggest you should make one in case if you want to share other files with your friends.
Yes, I do know how to record a video directly from the PSP but unfortunately I have no idea on how to record the sounds off from the PSP as it only shows the screen but not the audio. However, I could help you with the Japanese descriptions like the magazines for example. Also, I'm currently using a PSP emulator called "PPSSPP" because somehow, my PSP's battery couldn't seem to functioning properly so I have to use the emulator for awhile.
If you need anything, you can contact me via e-mail and I'll see what I can do to help you out. :)
~ MBJ_01
 ::::Well, that nixes the idea for you to do the AI weapon voices. I'll get my laptop to take care of the firmware download, I guess. Then I'll use the cables for hooking my PSP up to the computer (as soon as I find the cables, at least) to download it from the laptop directly to the PC, and then start the video recordings for the AI weapon voices. I guess I'll start with the Japanese voices first, since the English voices, due to only having four DLCs released in that version, can wait a while, but the Japanese versions can't. You can go ahead with doing the videos/.gifs for the DLC descriptions for the Magazines and Monster Hunter shirts, though. I'll also register for a MediaFire account in the meantime to loan you my saves before September 30. One last question, though: MediaFire doesn't have viruses on it, does it? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:16, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Alright. Will get on that this Wednesday. Just tell me via e-mail on what stuff you want me to do and I'll try to get them using the emulator. And no, it's a virus-free site, as in there's no virus whatsoever. :)
~ MBJ_01
Good. I'll get to it. I might as well correct myself in regards to that email I sent you: That was actually a system update, not the type to record gameplay videos/take ingame screenshots. I did find this, however, and was wondering if the download has any major risks (such as viruses or anything like that)? And I'll submit the grocery list to you via email shortly regarding PSN descriptions. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:33, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Coldman continued Edit

A. That doesn't make sense. Someone rewriting an article doesn't make something more likely.

B. That's only your assumption. A quick DCI would fit someone who couldn't keep his mouth shut. I accept MPO as canon in an Expanded Universe sense, since Kojima is intent on ignoring it to tell his own story. He doesn't really know much about a lot of the details in PO's story. A twitter follower of his once asked why Null had a German codename in PO, and Kojima just replied with "PO's not my script." 

A better moment to take as alluding to any DCS is in the post-Chrysalis battle, when (in the JPN version) Snake alludes to the notion that the KGB were in on the whole plot to elimate The Boss with the CIA the entire time. Especially given the ending of MGS3, where the anti-Kruschev faction of the KGB was in league with the US regarding OSE. Likely a trade-off. Failing to stop an American nuke launch on Soviet soil makes Kruschev appear weak as a leader, which makes it more likely for him to be ousted. Volgin could have been contacted by this faction of the KGB and had the idea of launching the nuke given to him, and he would have agreed for this reason (without knowing it was originally a CIA idea). His doing so benefited all three parties involved. It allowed Kruschev to be removed from power, allowing Volgin a chance to support Brezhnev, while the KGB plotted its own separate coup. For the US, naturally, it included getting (half) the Legacy and getting rid of The Boss.

Zero or Ocelot would fit nicely in the middle of this, particularly Ocelot. He's the main middleman between all three groups, and apparently has been especially involved in shady dealings between the US and the KGB. I'm not 100% convinced Ocelot's the DCS though, but it has a lot to recommend it- the artwork being for the DCS being chosen from Ocelot's image file (among all the images they had available) and his being the link between the two groups that apparently colluded together on the "eliminate The Boss" plot.

BTW, I quite like PO actually, it's PW I could do without.

C. It does work. It's just common sense. There are any number of reasons someone would keep a code like that to themselves. Lack of trust could be one, greed another, worry that another person with that knowledge could be captured and tortured for info, etc. There's no need to read Coldman suspecting Zadornov into it when his surprise and anger at his betrayal weighs against it. He wouldn't have given MSF the code because they'd made it obvious they wanted to stop it from launching in the first place. You're not suggesting he'd believe they'd allow the nuke to be launched at either target?

D. Strangelove only wanted to know if The Boss was under orders. She was expecting the mammal pod to state how The Boss actually felt about it.

I didn't bring her back to life because I was forced to. 
I wanted to know how she really felt... How it really ended.

Then she goes on to tell Snake she knows that he would like to know too, showing she didn't believe that was the information she was going to get out of him via interrogation.

Even so, granting your point there for the sake of argument, she still didn't turn on Coldman or act in anyway that someone so upset over The Boss's death would have acted in the presence of the person most responsible for it.

E. 2. Like I said, retouching artwork would require more effort than necessary. For a game that didn't even bother removing his bandana in chapter 5, I'm sure they cared even less about such a minor detail as a card.
Those other examples were console releases and were polygonal cutscenes that allow for greater variation. You can do things on a console MGS that you can't (yet) do on a PSP MGS. E.g., I remember going through most of the game in a Sneaking Suit, yet the cutscenes only showed fatigues.
3. I goofed. I meant maybe she just felt the need to remove it. 02:05, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

A. I know it doesn't make sense, but at this point, considering Bluerock runs and owns this site, it doesn't matter.
B. A bit surprising that Kojima would actually be ignorant of MPO, since he at least wrote the framework of the story (otherwise, he shouldn't have been credited with the game in the credits at all), not to mention included it in the flashbacks for MGS4, and even stated it happened in a podcast. Whatever the case, MGS4 made it pretty clear that it was the CIA who had planned The Boss to be killed from the start, not the KGB, with the motive being simply out of paranoia of her charisma. Though I will make sure to note the KGB involvement somewhere on this wiki.
C. There's a problem though: Coldman stated that he hoped his version of Peace was right, and acknowledged the possibility that he would actually have misjudged humanity in regards to pushing the button. If he felt that Peace Walker would take care of the deterrence flaw, and anticipated that he might be wrong, he would have supplied MSF with the code just in case he turned out to be wrong, while also telling them only to use the code if it turned out he was wrong about what the staff would do. I know that's certainly what I would have done.
D. Maybe, but I'm still not certain about that since she really should have just confiscated the card in either case.
E2. The graphic novel cutscenes were done specifically to alleviate that problem regarding polygons and disc space, and hey, they kept many of those quirks from MGS1 and MGS3 when they put them onto the PSP's PSN network, so if they can do it there, they can most certainly implement artwork there.
Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:15, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
B. Technically, wasn't it only Sean Eyestone saying "it happened," rather than Kojima? (Not saying Kojima probably wouldn't make the same reply himself, but it sounds like that's probably more thought than he'd give it now.)

Given his credit for "original story," I'd guess that Kojima must've come up with the very basic plot. "This is what Zero and Ocelot are doing, make Gene and the FOX Unit cool, and throw in Gray Fox. Fill in the details yourselves."

A lot of supposed contradictions beween PO and PW may come from that. Calling ZEKE the "first Metal Gear" could simply be due to Kojima being unaware that RAXA was called "Metal Gear." Either way, based on his response to the Null question (how could he not know that, seriously?), it seems he doesn't want to put in any effort to think of PO's plot at all, apart from broadstrokes.

As far as what MGS4 made clear, I think it's questionable to take EVA's statement as evidence, as it could mean that they began to plot to kill her *after* her defection. Zero mentioned that the CIA feared that her charisma could lead others to follow her example and defect, so it's not strictly necessary to see MGS4 as referring to PO's plot.

Kruschev only said to "catch The Boss yourselves" and to do "something painful." Point being, you can interpret that statement at least two different ways.

Assuming though that it does refer to PO's plot, it being the CIA's idea doesn't rule out KGB involvement. All it would take would be the CIA Director telling Ocelot, "Call up the Chief Director of the KGB, and tell him the Americans have a proposal... 'One of our agents is on an undercover mission to get close to Volgin. We'd like a trade-off. Get a message to Volgin that he can undermine Kruschev by launching one of the nukes The Boss brought in. You guys can get rid of Kruschev, and we have an excuse to get rid of The Boss.'"

C. He only acknowledged that possibility on his deathbed. He had a few breaths of air left, and even in that moment where he began to suspect he could be wrong, he still didn't reveal the abort code.

He also knew that MSF wanted to stop PW's launch, even if he *was* right that there would be no retaliation. If you'd give MSF the code "just in case," knowing that they don't even want to give your test a chance, you've just thrown all your effort away.

E2. Which is part of the point. Saving disc-space and the like by using artwork also means that you can't do much real-time variations. The artwork produced for a scene is the *only* artwork for a scene.

So, to save disc space, they're not going to waste space creating two different versions of the torture scene to have Strangelove wearing the card and another not wearing it. It's just simpler to not include it so it doesn't conflict with the player's choice either way. Had it been included in the interrogation artwork, even if the player had finished the QTE, she'd have still been wearing it in the torture scene. Then you'd have to wonder "How did Snake steal it AGAIN?"

So, when you don't see her wearing it, you can simply view it as one of two things, depending on your choice.

1. If you finished the QTE, then Snake has it tucked away.
2. If you didn't finish the QTE, then she just decided to take it off. 20:53, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Can't comment on C-E2, since that will really take forever to settle (literally, I'm afraid). But regarding "B.", I can't say whether it was Sean Eyestone or not (I only heard about it from other users), but considering he's translating for Kojima, who was present at that podcast going by what people said, whether Kojima himself said it directly in English or had someone say it for him is irrelevant, and I'm doubtful they'd allow a mistranslation like that to occur. As far as MGS4 is concerned, the problem is that she used that statement even though she would have just as easily just repeated a condensed version of the debriefing she supplied Big Boss with regarding the truth behind The Boss's mission (and we know she knew that debriefing, and would have been a perfect alternative to that just to sweep Portable Ops under the rug). And I'm doubtful Ocelot was the guy Gene alluded to. Yes, they used his artwork, but then again, they have a tendency to reuse artwork anyways. And besides, going by his reaction when killing the DCI, he didn't seem to support killing The Boss at all and also made it seem as though the DCI was the guy Gene alluded to, which makes little sense if he was the DCS ("Betray? No, I'm not going to Betray them, I'm going to END them. Then, We'll take back what you [DCI] stole from us. We'll carry the spirit of the True Patriot [The Boss]."). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:26, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

I was just making sure about Kojima ever saying that, because the podcast in question I actually did listen to, and Kojima himself wasn't involved with it. Someone wrote in wanting canon clarification, and Eyestone more or less replied with, "All the main chapters. MG1 and MG2, the real ones, not the NES versions, MGS1-4, and Peace Walker." Then added "And PO is also in there, but it's not like a main chapter, but it, yeah, it happened." He sounded almost like he was treating PO as an afterthought.
As for Ocelot, I consider it a possiblity, due to mainly four things: He's the link between the two factors Snake (even in PW) suspects were in on The Boss's assassination, he didn't know The Boss (not even that she was a female) until he met her and spent enough time with her after the nuke launch to become inspired by her, the artwork was him, and he has a history of acting on behalf of an affiliated group (CIA/Patriots) to help set up a scenario. That, and even though Gene alludes to Zero with the "man with the same codename as Null" bit, he mentions Ocelot quite a bit more, as though Zero is just a supporter.
Zero is a possibility, but supporting evidence is a mixed bag.
On the pro side: It applies Occam's Razor to PO's mentions of a shadow figure behind the scenes, he's a cunning plotter (and "strategist" sounds more like a military planner type, like Zero was as head of FOX), and he was obviously in talks with the CIA Director before each mission. Gene's mention of The Boss sacrificing herself to the greater will of someone else would fit Zero's goal of the Patriots (which he was already mentioning during MGS3).
Cons: Mostly the fact that Zero is portrayed as filled with sorrow at the sudden loss of The Boss, and angry enough to rebel against The Philosophers and the CIA Director. Of course, that could be counterbalanced by saying he was strong-armed into it by the CIA. Another is that Zero showed up in the cutscenes, so he had artwork of himself made that they could easily have used during Gene's reveal. Then we have the fact that we have no indication that Zero setting up The Boss played any part in the Zero/Big Boss conflict (although personally I would have liked it better than, "No, *I* loved Teh Bozz moar!" 06:13, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

There's an English trailer for Ground Zeroes?Edit

Congratulations for being right about Ground Zeroes still being a separate game. Kojima's inconsistencies are confusing. At least we now know that Skull-Face is not Volgin or Zadornov due to their voice actors not returning for the game (Kojima almost always keeps the same voice actor for returning characters). -- 16:36, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it most likely is still a separate game, assuming Kojima doesn't pull a fast one that is (which considering his surprise at the fans deduction that "MDS" was actually Kojima Productions under a separate IP address, I'm doubtful he's going to pull a fast one at us).
It's most likely not Zadornov or Volgin either (Even if they had survived, they didn't suffer from extensive enough burns to become nearly skeletal. Heck, we even got a brief view of Volgin's smoldering corpse (after the flames died down) when the Russian reinforcements arrived, and despite being caught in a fire, he looked no different than when before he caught on fire), though then again, who knows: Big Boss's VA did get replaced. In either case, Skull-face is definitely familiar with Big Boss and his exploits, based on his comments to Chico.
As far as the English trailer for Ground Zeroes, if you mean the English audio version of the PAX trailer, I'm aware of that (though I never actually got a chance to watch it with sound). If you mean an English version of either the standard TGS Demo or the special TGS Demo, that is something I wasn't aware of, but was hoping would be released. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:21, October 27, 2013 (UTC)
I was talking about the audio version. Forgot to add a question mark. And I know Big Boss's VA got replaced, hence I used the word "almost". Johnny Sasaki's VA was replaced for MGS4. At least Kojima doesn't constantly replace VA for no reason unlike Capcom did with Leon Kennedy, Ada Wong and Jill Valentine. By the way, I see the you're a Simpsons fan. Too bad Edna Krabappel is leaving the show due to her VA's death. I'll miss the character. Ned Flanders will be alone again. -- 13:27, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, understood. Plus, at least Big Boss actually keeps his VA in the Japanese version, though. As I said, I'm familiar with the trailer, but haven't actually watched it with sound yet. Watched Yong's commentary for the Daytime demo and added in some info as well (with sound). As far as the Simpsons, shame that her VA died as well. However, personally, I felt that, votes or not, having Ned Flanders hook up with Krabappel was a big mistake. Yes, forgiveness is part of the Christian walk, but even Jesus made it clear that one should not sin anymore when forgiving the fallen. Since Krabappel, based on the episode regarding their dating (season finale) was unrepentent in her sleeping around even when Flanders forgave her, he should have just stayed away from her. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:16, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion yay? Edit

Hello I got a new blog I would like your opinion. Any opinion. If you have the time that is.R.S 05:03, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

gabriel RockEdit

I did that with powerpoint

Ah. In that case, good artistic skills. Hope Ground Zeroes manages to be released on the Wii U, though, as I'm more of a nintendo guy. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:47, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Help with an image Edit

Hey Weedle, I was going through the Metal Gear 2 characters and I noticed that for some reason, there doesn't seem to be an image of Snake from the original version MSX2 version of the game, though every other character has one. I could've sworn I'd seen one on here once before. Anyway, I looked at the other character's images and noticed that you'd uploaded the MSX2 pictures. I was wondering if you could help me locate the one for Snake, or failing that upload it? Thanks--Soul reaper (talk) 14:16, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Just so we're clear, do you mean his transceiver portrait or the picture of him in the beginning and the ending of the game? I'm asking because Solid Snake has two different pictures for those instances. I'll upload the opening/ending image of Solid Snake for now, since that's the only one currently available. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:30, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: Actually, you may have to ask Bluerock about the transceiver image from the MSX2 version. I tried looking on Bing, but other than showing the transceiver menu, there's nothing showing Snake's transceiver portrait from that version. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:35, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
I just managed to get it. Turns out we have the full transceiver screen on the radio page. I took it from there.--Soul reaper (talk) 14:45, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

MPO+ local soldiers Edit

I finally got the Japanese version MPO+ and downloaded a few local soldiers. They all have pretty much the same description, with the only difference being the final sentence describing the soldier's favorite food or thing. Here's the common description for all them.

A member of a specially enhanced unit who has been deployed to his hometown. A certain "device" seems to be required in order to contact him. Moreover, he apparently wants to become a freelance soldier by joining a unit with as much real combat experience as possible.

It's going to take awhile to unlock them, since there's 47 of them. Arkhound (talk) 08:00, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Keep up the good work. Are there any external links for the Japanese soldiers, or even for the American soldiers? I checked the official site for MPO for the Japanese version, yet I couldn't find anything (which is odd, as the European site apparently was able to show the European local soldiers, as well as Boss Rush and two new maps). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, January 23, 2014 (UTC)



Vandalism. It's not allowed. I'm sorry, but I cannot allow any pages to be vandalized, not even if the vandalization was indeed meant for humor. You have a problem with that rule, take it to one of the mods, such as Bluerock. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:08, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

FOXHOUND vs. Navy SEALs?Edit

You seem like you know a lot about Metal Gear lore, so, if you don't mind, could compare and contrast these two units? Which is the more elite force? Which is more stealthy? Who would win if the two units clashed?

Side question: Aren't FOXHOUND operatives pretty much just covert ops snipers without a sniper rifle?

Thanks in advance. 19:26, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Answer my question, you damn fool. 17:20, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

All right, fine. Considering FOXHOUND's status as a pretty secret special forces group, it is probably more advanced than the Navy SEALs. However, I can't make any objective views without some data to back it up, as I'm not a SEAL. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:22, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Weedle... Edit

Could you look at the edit to the Metal Gear Solid page? I think it should be undone but I don't know if I would be able to, cause last time I screwed something up and I blanked the entire page.

Semper Fi (talk) 12:42, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'll try, although it may not be a simple "undo" because of it taking up multiple edits. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:51, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: Okay, took care of it. Was smaller than I expected. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:54, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Weedle, I owe ya one :). Oh hey, before I forget, could you take a look at the forum I made a couple days ago? (If you can't find it I can link ya to it.) Semper Fi (talk) 13:05, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

GZ side ops are canon? Edit

They are? So BB had access to Camp Omega since December? ZombieVito (talk) 20:19, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Kind of. It's unknown whether he actually accessed Camp Omega directly during those missions, but the descriptions of the missions (such as the date the missions occurred as well as their being "pseudo-historical recreations") make clear that, at the very least, the overall events of the missions did indeed occur, but in terms of specifics were a bit different. Probably the closest one to qualify as full canon (meaning, they accessed Camp Omega) is probably the Classified Intel Retrieval Mission (the one with Brian the mole), due to the tape that was retrieved being Skull Face's backstory tape. The Deja Vu and Jamais Vu missions most likely aren't, though, though then again, I don't know if they give any dates for those missions. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:25, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

How can Jamais be canon if it has Raiden in there haha. It's weird that BB has to infiltrate a base he already did mere months before.

Not to state it is canon (again, it most likely isn't), but they did justify Raiden's presence by having Miller state that Raiden was from the future. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:02, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Quick question..thing Edit

I read somewhere just before GZ was released that Kojima wanted to ignore almost everything of what happened in Metal Gear Solid 2 after the Tanker Incident, except for the central characters. Do you know what that would mean? Semper Fi (talk) 14:18, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

This is the first I've heard of it. Can you give me the place you found this information? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:21, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

I can try looking through my internet history, but it's been a while. I'll leave it here if I find it. Croyez-en les Militaires Sans Frontières! (talk) 14:25, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Here are complete videos of the side ops.Edit

Geoff77 (talk) 18:37, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll watch them when I have the time (I have what is very likely to be my final semester at College right now, so I have to worry about getting all assignments done right if I'm to graduate and get out of there on May). Again, I'm sorry for the mistakes. Oh, and one of the videos I mentioned earlier seemed to mention the Miller and Prisoner 12282 thing, but then it cut to him warning Big Boss about a trap being nearby, leading me to think that was the "one more thing" he was talking about.
BTW, one last favor, can you get the information on Miller contacting Amanda if you get near Chico's prison camp in the main story? Kill_distroy of GameFAQs alluded to this conversation during a spoiler thread if the player got close to the camp. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:42, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I never got the conversation. I called Miller multiple times and walked near Chico's cell multiple times too. I don't know how kill_distroy got that conversation. Geoff77 (talk) 19:38, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I can confirm that this conversation exists. I'll try and figure out what the exact trigger is for it in my next playthrough. --Bluerock (talk) 19:41, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 Please do. Geoff77 (talk) 19:45, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I found the conversation. You have to walk behind the prison camp before finding Chico. I posted the conversation on Amanda's page. Hope it's useful. I'll post the Marines' conversation and Miller's comments about the escaped prisoner later. -- 14:15, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, especially with the Amanda one (that one got deleted because someone thought it was apparently made up). Also, I managed to use the Jamais Vu video you posted much earlier, but thanks for the suggestion anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:17, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Miller in Phantom Pain? Edit

I'll nip this potential edit conflict in the bud and point out this site which appears to be an official Konami UK site. It suggests Miller is indeed the bereted sunglasses-wearing guy. I don't believe that Facebook page was referring to the specific image itself, but rather to the trailer as a whole in which it appears. --Bluerock (talk) 01:37, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. 01:48, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

If they say its Miller, then it's Miller, so I'll stop. There IS one thing that needs to be pointed out to the anon, though. I did click on the Facebook link I posted earlier, the one he claimed did not work, and it definitely worked (I would have gotten a 404 error or cannot display page message if it didn't). Are you sure it's not a problem with your computer? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:35, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I've tried clicking the link on multiple computers but the following message pops up.

"This content is currently unavailable The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page." 

Maybe this shows up because I don't have a Facebook account. 02:37, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

That must explain it then, because I was definitely logged in and able to see the Facebook post. Only joined Facebook because a cousin of mine talked me into it, and pretty much to maintain contact with my friends anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:40, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not into Myspace, Facebook or Twitter. By the way, I'm glad you got Ghost Babel. I hope you post the codec conversation with Christine Jenner about Big Boss being Snake's father when you manage to play the game.-- 19:29, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Wasn't particularly interested in Facebook either, as I only joined it a. after my cousin talked me and my parents into it during transition from high school to college, and b. so I could maintain contact with my friends. And I joined Twitter and Myspace so I could contact an actress I met easily.

As far as Ghost Babel, I'll have more time after graduation this semester, if not the summer semester. I can tell you I managed to get at least most, if not all of Brian McBride's conversations though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:47, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks for that. I missed some of them. Bluerock was right. Codec calls can be easy to miss. Good luck with your graduation. -- 14:12, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'm definitely going to need it, as my time at Oglethorpe was probably one of the worst times I've had to deal with. There were a few instances where the math courses seemed to be utterly broken (I mean, math and science aren't exactly my strongest suits, yet I'm able to do very well in it so long as they at least talk about the concepts in a way I can understand. However, when doing "Great Ideas of Modern Math," I was forced to drop the course in Fall 2012 due to doing extremely poorly in the course (the teacher pretty much told me I should drop the course), and I just barely managed to get a "D" during the retake in Fall 2013. The way they do math at Oglethorpe is not merely "difficult," it's made virtually impossible for anyone to pass. And it wasn't just Great Ideas, either. Even the JAVA Programming Course proved to be virtually impossible to do, and I've done well with prior computer courses before.). That's not even getting into the agenda pushing of anti-Christian, leftist principles on us. I did not sign on for college to be treated as a POW in a reeducation camp. Assuming I play my cards right, I should be able to fully graduate by May. I was planning to switch servers immediately after graduation (since I naturally won't have to continue using Microsoft anymore), but after discovering many of my recovered files are corrupted, I'm probably going to have to delay switching modems until AFTER I fix whatever corrupted them so I can at the very least upload my MGO image files onto the wiki and complete that project (since obviously I can't do that while I'm still busy with school). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:44, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: Bluerock, I had to undo a lot of the edits claiming as a fact that the guy was Miller because I just discovered that the site you linked to was actually a fansite, not an official source. I'm sorry, but we have to wait until something official comes out explicitly confirming him to be Miller. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:02, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Even if that's the case, the trailer clearly portrays that the character is Miller. It's the whole theme of the trailer, Miller turning to the torture of former comrades for revenge. I don't see that wearing a beret somehow warps his appearance completely and makes him a potentially different character. That Facebook description doesn't even specifically refer to the character in the image, just the trailer as a whole, which it then links to. --Bluerock (talk) 11:33, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Also, Konami's other facebook page says it IS him. [2] --Bluerock (talk) 11:33, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, point taken. I'll redo the edits, although I'm using the Konami Facebook post instead of the UK site since at least that one is official. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:39, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Makes sense. By the way, how did you find out the other site is unofficial? The copyright says Konami 2013, but I guess it should really be "Konami Digital Entertainment" instead. --Bluerock (talk) 11:46, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
I found this out here with DarkSymbiote's post on GameFAQs: Apparently, the Facebook link explicitly stated upon arrival that it was a fansite. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:49, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: Sorry, it was Mr. Big Boss who revealed this, not Dark Symbiote. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:11, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
It says it is an "Official Facebook Fan Page for Konami in the UK."[3] Sneaky. --Bluerock (talk) 12:22, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

You have a source for the coma explanation?Edit

If so, please provide it. If what you say is true, it looks like Chico is actually alive during the Phantom Pain which is great. The medic on the other hand might be the third guy in the hospital. He took most of the explosion and you can see his face burnt if you slow down the cutscene. Chico isn't harmed by the explosion. Also, Eli DEFINITELY has to be Liquid. I have a cat named Eli so lucky me. Now we just need to find out EVA's real name. Anyway, thanks for making use of my Ghost Babel codec conversations. 12:52, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

You mean Kojima's statement about how we'd find out as we progress through The Phantom Pain? I'll hunt it down, although I think it was in one of the press releases nearing release of Ground Zeroes, when discussing the ending. I definitely know at least one person mentioned it on GameFAQs. Was Eli confirmed to be Liquid? If so, news to me. I was planning to interview Jodi Benson to find out if she's Suzetta Minet. However, an attempt at contacting her via direct mail basically resulted in it being returned without even being read. Although she technically lives near where I live (same state), I can't just go directly to her house, not unless I want to be accused of being a stalker or a harasser, so I have no other option but to wait until she has a public event so I can have the excuse to go to said event. Luckily, with my graduation in sight, I probably would have a lot more time to go to said events without worrying about schoolwork, so long as they're nearby. If they are in Walt Disney World in Orlando Florida or here in Georgia, I'll go. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:38, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
  No, it hasn't been confirmed but Yoji Shinkawa not denying that Eli is Liquid does imply that they are the same person. As for Minet, she's probably voiced other games but I probably haven't played them. 14:41, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I think I can tell you what the source was. I think it was the March 2014 issue of Game Informer, the same one that specified that Big Boss had only one coma (the one in The Phantom Pain), and said fans upon playing through it will fully understand how he got into the coma. I know Jodi Benson had done voicework for various video games (Besides Ariel in the Kingdom Hearts franchise and other Disney-related games, she also voiced Princess Atta in the video game version of A Bugs Life, Millenia/Reena from Grandia II, and Nasira from Disney's Aladdin: Nasira's Revenge). TBH, I had other reasons for wanting to interview Jodi Benson besides finding out whether she's Minet. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:52, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: Since I ran into a hiccup relating to another pet project (nothing relating to Metal Gear or the Wikis. Actually, let's just say it is an expose on some bad things in education that I experienced), alongside the aforementioned repair-work for some of my corrupted files (not to mention possibly having to use a different drive before I fully restore them due to it coming out less than expected), I'll continue to edit the wiki from Microsoft indefinitely (specifically, until I manage to actually complete these things) instead of switching servers after graduating (there's little question about my graduating now). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:01, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Told you it was KazuhiraEdit

I doubt Huey knew what was going to happen though. 13:40, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Since Konami officially confirmed it was Miller, he is Miller. At least now, it's definite. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:42, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
 Yeah, and congratulations about being right about Mother Base being rebuilt. They had nine years so it's not impossible to believe. I hope the game reveals the fate of Chico, Morpho and the medic though. A mention would be nice. 13:45, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
We'll probably need to wait a bit for official confirmation, maybe next Kojima Station, or rather the one after next (I already used up my question for next episode asking about whether the Walkman will be in The Phantom Pain or not, and I can't just ask another question for the upcoming episode), but yeah, it's definitely a lot more likely that it is indeed Mother Base rebuilt and not simply a new base. Personally, if they hadn't shown Miller and Big Boss returning to the base in the 2013 trailers, I would have been fine believing it to be destroyed. At least now we actually can explore the base, something I felt was a big flaw with Peace Walker that we didn't explore it. And yeah, I agree, they should reveal their fates soon as well, at least a dead or alive status, nothing more. I'm suspecting Chico is part of Diamond Dogs or at least didn't die in the "crash," though, based on that Kojima Station episode mention they won't talk about Chico due to it being spoilers. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:51, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Здраствуйте, Weedle McHairybug,

ВЫ спрашивали насчет автобуса   из  Portable Ops, судя по располажению дверей, стекол и фар это ЗИС-154 ( фото 2

MPO Town Map-A


ЗиС-154 — советский автобус, ставший первой послевоенной серией автобусов Завода имени Сталина (сейчас — ЗиЛ).

Выпускался в период с 1946г. по 1950г.


GMC TD-series

Его прототипом был американский GMC TD-series. Фото 3

В своем сообщении ВЫ упоминали автобус при подготовке полета Юрия Гагарина,

на стартовую площадку космонавта доставили на ЛАЗ-965. Фото-4

Как видно из фото расположение задней двери и наклон лобового стекла не соответствует показанному в игре 



RED1972 (talk) 09:57, June 18, 2014 (UTC)RED1972RED1972 (talk) 09:57, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Here's Metal Gear Solid 4's manual.Edit

It also has an instruction manga.

Thanks. The only thing I'll need now is the Snake Eater manual as well. Portable Ops (both regular and Plus) and Peace Walker's manuals I have accounted for (at least the American versions). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:09, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
Here, you go. It also features an instruction manga and a timeline.
Rising's manual only has a page of info due to new games lacking manuals containing pages of information.
"In the near future, cyborg technology has become commonplace throughout society. Three years [sic] have passed since the collapse of the Patriots system that had been secretly controlling the global power balance from the shadows. However, peace remains elusive. The dissemination of cybernetic technology has triggered instability and conflict as those who control the trade gain increasing power. Furthermore, large 'Private Military Companies', or PMC's, that had been supported and controlled by the Patriots have collapsed, spawning countless rogue entities with origins to larger criminal organizations. These renegade PMCs employing cyborg technology have become increasingly more disruptive shifting policy and power at will. As a member of the peace-keeping PMC 'Maverick Security', Raiden lives by the mantra of protecting and saving lives. But as the world plunges further into asymmetric warfare, the only path that leads him forward is rooted in resolving his past, and carving through anything that stands in his way" 22:16, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline Edit

Hey Weedle, if you're adding real-world timeline events, make sure to reference the game/manual/website they're mentioned in, otherwise it may not be clear why some of them are relevant to the series. Cheers. --Bluerock (talk) 06:46, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation about Strangelove and The Boss Edit

I guess Kojima wanted to keep their appearances secret at first since they haven't appeared in any trailers. Strangelove may very well be Hal's mother. 18:18, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Bing Translator doesn't seem to indicate much regarding whether Strangelove is appearing at all or not, although Kill Distroy of GameFAQs did indicate that the tweet was meant to confirm that she was appearing. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:20, August 1, 2014 (UTC)


why did you revert the edits I made to the Presidents of the US-entry  ?

I just filled in the names of the missing Presidents. They might not be called by name in Metal Gear, but it's clear that the MG-series is very accurate on political and historical facts etc. so there's every reason to believe that e.g.  the President who sent The Boss on her mission in June 1959 was Dwight Eisenhower, simply because he was the US- President at that time.

Have a nice day

Nuhr (talk) 19:03, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Article on US-Presidents Edit


why did you revert the edits I made to the Presidents of the US-entry  ?

I just filled in the names of the missing Presidents. They might not be called by name in Metal Gear, but it's clear that the MG-series is very accurate on political and historical facts etc. so there's every reason to believe that e.g.  the President who sent The Boss on her mission in June 1959 was Dwight Eisenhower, simply because he was the US- President at that time.

Have a nice day

Nuhr (talk) 19:11, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

To answer your question, Bluerock would have removed Dwight Eisenhower simply because he wasn't explicitly identified by name even if I hadn't. As far as Barack Obama, Metal Gear Solid 4 was released in 2008, before Obama was even elected. Not to mention there's no guarantee that Obama is even the president in 2014 anyhow. Don't forget, James Johnson was president during Metal Gear Solid 2, when in real life Obama was President. That's not getting into how George Sears was president at the time of Metal Gear Solid, when in real life, George W. Bush was president. Metal Gear may be realistic in some respects, but even it isn't that realistic. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:14, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Zero (cont.) Edit

It was getting too long there, so like I said I didn't want to reply there, but I felt I should address some of your points.

>I don't recall Kojima actually saying that EVA just gave Solid Snake a quick explanation, either, anyways.

He didn't have to since we, you know, saw EVA give him a quick explanation.

>And I'm not "assuming" anything.

Yes, you are.

>He made it very clear in his speech to Big Boss

Yet neither Big Boss nor Strangelove took it to mean what you think it means. Funny, that. If that's what he means, then wasn't clear at all.

> not to mention made very clear he had apparently been fired from being a director in the CIA in the past

Which could have been for a number of reasons. It doesn't have to pertain to Snake Eater, but even if it did, it doesn't necessitate his being involved in the set-up.

>And he specifically referred to The Boss's beliefs as "bankrupt" just before stating they were buried with her, meaning he didn't value her beliefs even when she was alive.

This doesn't mean he set her up. It means he didn't like her, or at the very least disliked the unwillingness of humanity to do what he thought necessary.

>Also, the Patriots tried to preach her views.

I didn't say they didn't. I'm saying it doesn't exclude Zero.

>That DOESN'T mean they set her up to die.

No... the intentionally written parallels in Gene's explanation of the strategist pretty much shoves the notion in your face.

>Heck, if anything, there were more hints at the DCI being the guy

The DCI is too much of a non-character to be a candidate. Gene said, "It was all the work of your country... and a single, deviously cunning strategist."
The "your country" bit covers the DCI. He didn't end up being special enough to even have a name, so they're not going to write him up as some mysterious puppet master (with direct parallels to Zero's actions in 1970) just to end him that way.

>specifically told him that he was taking back what the DCI stole from them.

And I already explained this. If Zero was plotting with the CIA to get the Legacy and start a new Philosophers, and then the DCI backed out of the deal, kept the Legacy for himself, and was content to let The Boss's ideals die, then Zero has a valid claim that the DCI stole from him.

>And Gene could also just as easily have been referring to the Philosophers, as well.

No, he couldn't.
The Philosophers wouldn't be represented by a single guy that way. The DCI, as I said, is too much of a non-character to get that sort of set-up, and I've explained ad nausem the problem with Coldman.

And really, put all your assumptions aside, play through MPO again (pretend PW and MGS4 don't exist), and pay attention to the writing.

I don't know why everyone misses the writing.
The script and dialog was written in such a way as to connect the strategist and the mysterious person manipulating the events on San Hieronymo. They're exactly analogous to each other.
Gene makes the strategist analogous to himself as well, in the sense of wanting to end the Philosophers and rule the world by imposing a new will to follow.

The plot is written so you can make the mental connections between the man with the same codename as Null and Gene's strategist, which is why pretty much everyone assumed them to be the same on first playthrough.

Gene: Those who have no calling must be given one by those who do. They must follow the teachings of those with a greater will. (Gene has just said he's going to end the Philosophers and replace them with himself. This foreshadows Zero's goal with the Patriots.)
They must sacrifice all their energies to the cause - pour their feeble lives into it. As The Boss once did. (In other words, The Boss sacrificed her life so that someone with a "greater will" could give the world a calling.)

Then Gene explains the goal of the strategist, after Snake refuses to believe The Boss would die for that reason.

Gene: The Boss gave up her life, even if someone else willed it. She sacrificed her own life for her calling. It was a noble act.

In other words, The Boss knew that the strategist was planning to be the one to replace the Philosophers with his own goals, and she gave her life so he could do it. It's a little vague whether or not she was fully aware of being set up, but the implication is that she was.

This does not fit Coldman or the DCI. Had the DCI actually attemted to build a new Philosophers or something, then maybe.

>Big Boss reacted to Gene's story in such a way that indicated he fully intended to kill the guy who set The Boss up, and even after Gene was killed, it was implied that he still was disturbed at the revelation.

Yet he had no strong reaction to Coldman, but rather made a jab at Coldman being stuck in South America.

>He'd eventually put two-and-two together regarding Zero possibly having set her up during his time with the Patriots, and then try to attack him to avenge The Boss.

And thus, we have a nuclear weapon being built in Outer Heaven and a coup d'etat being plotted against Zero...

>Do you honestly expect Big Boss to not put two-and-two together especially after Zero's handling of the Patriots?

Probably eventually, but not necessarily right away.
I wouldn't rule it out being in the back of his mind when he split in 1972. Keep in mind that Zero is a master manipulator, so finding ways to keep Big Boss from finding out (or placing the blame on others) isn't out of the realm of possibility.

For some reason or other, Big Boss seems to have put Gene's words behind him until he meets Strangelove. He should've been questioning EVA's debriefing in 1970, yet he doesn't suspect it was part of a cover story until 1974.

I can't prove it, but I have a feeling if the strategist bit is still one of the canon details, Zero's full involvement could be about to come back in a big way in TPP. Origenes7 (talk) 20:50, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

To address your points, at least regarding the DCI, Ocelot agreed with the DCI about it being used to rebuild the Philosophers in the post-credits scene in Snake Eater, and the DCI also reiterated his intentions to Ocelot in Portable Ops just before Ocelot revealed he intended to end them and proceeded to end his life as well. That wouldn't qualify as theft on the DCI's end if they specifically agreed to it beforehand, presumably with full knowledge beforehand, so it definitely could not have been in reference to the Philosophers' Legacy. And considering that Zero and Ocelot specifically made clear that nuking the United States was not their intention at all, it was pretty clear that Gene's goals had little to do with Zero and Ocelot's beyond eliminating the Philosophers. Also, Naked Snake specifically mentioned that The Boss was "set up," which means she basically was tricked into dying, not actually carrying it out of her free will with full knowledge beforehand.
And also, considering that Strangelove was implied to have deliberately let Naked Snake escape during his capture, I'd say she definitely had some adverse reaction to Coldman's role in The Boss's death (heck, she hated Naked Snake for his being directly responsible for The Boss's death, do you honestly think she'd just stand by and let the man who orchestrated her death in the first place just get away with it especially when he, unlike Naked Snake, obviously took glee in her death and held no remorse for it whatsoever?). Otherwise, she definitely would not have let Snake escape easily (and believe me, she definitely let Snake escape, considering she deliberately let Snake keep her ID card, and the torture cutscene implies that acquiring the ID card was canon due to it not being on her). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:22, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
>To address your points, at least regarding the DCI, Ocelot agreed with the DCI about it being used to rebuild the Philosophers in the post-credits scene in Snake Eater
Which does nothing more to show that there was a plan at the time, before the DCI ditched it.
> and the DCI also reiterated his intentions to Ocelot in Portable Ops
He stated that with those documents, they could be revived if the US perished in a nuclear attack. He said more or less the same in MGS3, but his actions show he doesn't have much interest in it. He's much more concerned with the CIA's own importance and keeping up the former system that creating a new one.
>That wouldn't qualify as theft on the DCI's end if they specifically agreed to it beforehand
Yes, it would, since he changed his mind post-MGS3 and kept the funds for himself. As the Database explicitly tells you.
Apart from the KGB half of the Legacy, the DCI had everything he needed to rebuild a new incarnation of the Philosophers, which Gene says The Boss gave her life for. He didn't do that. Why?
>And considering that Zero and Ocelot specifically made clear that nuking the United States was not their intention at all, it was pretty clear that Gene's goals had little to do with Zero and Ocelot's beyond eliminating the Philosophers.
That's not what I said.
I said Gene's goal is meant to be parallel to Zero's.
Both wanted to end the Philosophers and replace the Philosophers' wills with their own.
I did not say they agreed on how it should be done.
>Also, Naked Snake specifically mentioned that The Boss was "set up," which means she basically was tricked into dying, not actually carrying it out of her free will with full knowledge beforehand.
It doesn't mean she was tricked. It means that a series of events were set into motion. The Boss's knowledge or lack thereof are irrelevant to calling it a set-up. Even so, quite a good many people were tricked: Khrushchev, EVA, Snake himself...
>And also, considering that Strangelove was implied to have deliberately let Naked Snake escape during his capture
>I'd say she definitely had some adverse reaction to Coldman's role in The Boss's death
We have no indication of this. Even to grant this hypothetically, she would not then need to torture Snake to get her questions answered. She could have finished that AI right then and have The Boss's mind itself back, which was her goal- not revenge on Snake or Coldman.
If she let Snake escape, she'd know he intended to stop Peace Walker. Even as late as Zadornov threatening her if she didn't aim the nuke at Cuba, she was unwilling to risk the AI being destroyed.
>(and believe me, she definitely let Snake escape, considering she deliberately let Snake keep her ID card, and the torture cutscene implies that acquiring the ID card was canon due to it not being on her).
That's incredibly weak. It was there for gameplay purposes, and the artwork doesn't show her wearing it even if you don't take it. If she was that intent on him escaping, why didn't she give him the card regardless? Maybe slip it into his pants after he passes out?
I doubt she let him the keep the card by assuming he'd use it to escape unarmed from an area full of men armed with shotguns. That she underestimated him or displayed a cliche lack of villain critical thinking doesn't make for a good argument that she wanted him to get out. Origenes7 (talk) 21:50, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
Considering Ocelot, immediately before gunning down his armed guards and killing the DCI, replied with "that's exactly what I wanted to hear" instead of something along the lines of "I know you're lying about your intent," I'm pretty sure the DCI did fully intend to rebuild the Philosophers. I should also point out that Cunningham had captured Naked Snake under the pretense of finding the other half of the Philosophers' Legacy, and until he blurted out the Pentagon's involvement, it was strongly implied that Langley was indeed searching for the other half. Considering he was trying to trick both Gene and the CIA into thinking he was loyal to either of them for his plans to work, that would mean the CIA was indeed trying to find it.
And regarding Strangelove, if they wanted to keep it ambiguous as to whether it was canon, they would have made sure to actually animate the cutscene in such a way that made clear she still had the card on her if you failed (I know that's how I would have done it if I were the writers). And as far as why she didn't just slip it into his pocket, that would have been a bit too obvious anyways especially when it became apparent that the door was unlocked. At least with Snake stealing the card key, it can be covered up as his stealing it from her. And we don't even know if Zadornov was even referring to the AI pod, especially considering that he would probably be smart enough to not only know that ruining the AI would make him fail his mission, but also realize full well that Strangelove would know this as well (after all, she designed the AI Pod and Peace Walker to some extent, and thus would know full well that ruining the AI pod would make it unable to do any retaliatory commands or firing missiles anyways).
And for the record, the MGS4 Database also claimed that Solidus was responsible for removing Raiden's memories and that Solidus deliberately rammed Arsenal Gear into Manhattan, both of which were demonstrably false, so don't give me that as evidence, especially when it was pretty clear in Portable Ops that, besides the CIA, the DOD and Zero also knew that half of the Legacy was missing, not the whole Legacy, but half, meaning they definitely knew that part of it did return to the United States. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:17, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
>I'm pretty sure the DCI did fully intend to rebuild the Philosophers.
Your logic doesn't work. Ocelot's line means he wanted to hear that all the relevant documentation regarding the Philosophers is there.
>he blurted out the Pentagon's involvement, it was strongly implied that Langley was indeed searching for the other half.
Zero was pretending to work with the Pentagon. Cunningham was following Zero's script. It wouldn't be a surprise that Zero told the Pentagon he could get the other half of the Legacy as an excuse to get Snake captured.
> Considering he was trying to trick both Gene and the CIA into thinking he was loyal to either of them for his plans to work, that would mean the CIA was indeed trying to find it.
Wanting the Legacy =/= wanting to rebuild the Philosophers.
The CIA could want it just as much for their own projects as anything else.
>they would have made sure to actually animate the cutscene in such a way that made clear she still had the card on her if you failed.
That's ridiculous.
If they're not going to go through the trouble to have Snake not wear the bandanna, they sure aren't going to waste time, resources, and disc space over something as minor as a card.
>And as far as why she didn't just slip it into his pocket, that would have been a bit too obvious anyways especially when it became apparent that the door was unlocked.
Whereas it wasn't too obvious to everyone in the room that Snake had just reached out and grabbed her ID card in full view?
Yeah, not buying it.
> And we don't even know if Zadornov was even referring to the AI pod.
Zadornov: I'll crush you, but only after I crush your "beloved" first.
Of course he's referring to the AI. If you don't get that as referring to the mammal pod, then you weren't paying attention.
If she resisted, then his mission would have failed anyway. Destroying the AI would be to punish her for obstructing his plan.
>And for the record, the MGS4 Database also claimed that Solidus was responsible for removing Raiden's memories and that Solidus deliberately rammed Arsenal Gear into Manhattan, both of which were demonstrably false
Demonstrable because we saw it in the games.
We also saw in the games that the DCI did not attempt to rebuild the Philosophers and still had their documents in his possession. Which backs up the database.
>the DOD and Zero also knew that half of the Legacy was missing, not the whole Legacy, but half
Which contradicts not a thing I've said.
Zero was part of the CIA. The Pentagon could have learned just as easily from him as anyone else that the CIA had the Legacy. Origenes7 (talk) 22:56, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
Considering they dedicated a whole briefing file to something that didn't even need to be elaborated on (the snuff tobacco bit Paz was doing), yes, they definitely would have done it if they wanted to make sure it was ambiguously canon. Not to mention, tying back to your response to my point about Kojima not stating it earlier, we also saw The Boss say it as well and it was pretty clear what she meant after she threw Snake into the river, yet Kojima still felt as though he had to explain it, same with Ocelot mentioning the KGB in front of Colonel Volgin as comrades in the commentary. In other words, no matter how obvious it was as to what they were conveying, Kojima still thinks he should explain it as if we are too stupid to figure it out. Really, read the commentary and you'd see what I mean by that.
And again, the threat is pointless because it basically amounts to saying "You'd better do what I say, or else I'll cripple myself by shooting myself in the foot." It would not be a serious threat at all, even with Strangelove's love of The Boss AI, since both would know full well that doing so would actually ruin Zadornov's mission. Usually if a person makes a threat, they make it so that the person making the threat has absolutely nothing to lose if they end up carrying it out, while the person who is being threatened has everything to lose if they refuse.
As far as the database, yeah, actually, it does contradict a thing you said. In case you forgot, according to the Database, the DCI lied to the government about the Legacy not coming to the United States. That means there would not be any way for Zero or for the DOD to know about even half of the Legacy making it to the United States, much less it being within the hands of the CIA. The fact that they clearly knew that, at the very least, half of the Legacy did in fact make it to the CIA's hands means the DCI definitely didn't make any lies about the Legacy not making it to the US at all. And besides, even if what you say is true, please explain why the Database didn't even mention Zero being the DCS. That would have been the perfect opportunity to actually clarify that plot point yet they didn't at all. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:13, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
>Considering they dedicated a whole briefing file to something that didn't even need to be elaborated on (the snuff tobacco bit Paz was doing), yes, they definitely would have done it if they wanted to make sure it was ambiguously canon.
By this logic, why didn't they do similarly and create a briefing file centering around the card?
The fact that Kojima isn't exactly a subtle guy supports me more than you on this... you realize that, right?
You're going through a lot of logical leaps to make the lack of it on her vest mean something in the artwork, when all the artwork in the rest of the game makes bigger oversights than that. These aren't realtime cutscenes we're talking about.
>It would not be a serious threat at all, even with Strangelove's love of The Boss AI, since both would know full well that doing so would actually ruin Zadornov's mission.
Strangelove took it very seriously.
What other "beloved" would he be threatening? Her white flower? Use some common sense dude.
If she resisted programming the AI, then as I said, his mission would be a failure anyway. Sheesh.
Don't forget that he could theoretically get someone else to launch, then destroy her and the AI after the launch.
Really, though. What he was saying is obvious to everyone in the world but you.
>In case you forgot, according to the Database, the DCI lied to the government about the Legacy not coming to the United States.
I didn't forget. It doesn't contradict what I said.
You also apparently didn't read when I said that Zero could just as easily be the one to tell the DOD that the CIA had half of the Legacy. Which would be especially true if he were the strategist, who knew about the mission to get the Legacy in cahoots with the DCI.
Or, it could have been leaked by Ocelot. He knew about it as well.
>The fact that they clearly knew that, at the very least, half of the Legacy did in fact make it to the CIA's hands means the DCI definitely didn't make any lies about the Legacy not making it to the US at all.
It means no such thing.
It means they got knowledge of it somehow.
>And besides, even if what you say is true, please explain why the Database didn't even mention Zero being the DCS. That would have been the perfect opportunity to actually clarify that plot point yet they didn't at all.
By this reasoning, why didn't the Database mention the strategist at all?
He didn't even get his own article.
I suspect it's because that with the release of MGS4, they wanted to focus more on Zero's admiration of The Boss rather than on his role behind her death. Especially since Kojima didn't write PO himself, he may want to save that for later (assuming it's still a canon detail and not retconned to some BS Gene made up).
There's arguably a hint to it in the Database though, as the relationship chart for MGS3's events lists Zero as a conspirator with the DCI, with Ocelot listed as their spy. Origenes7 (talk) 23:47, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

He was definitely subtle with Metal Gear Solid 2, especially given the whole Matrix-esque post-modernist themes and heavy content, not to mention the fact that some things were actually subtle enough that it required at least two playthroughs to connect the dots assuming one didn't merely read the script, unlike in MGS3 where a few things were pretty obvious in what they were mentioning even without Kojima stating it.
And as far as what else Strangelove could be referring to, considering Strangelove did infer she might have some attraction to Huey in a briefing file about him, what's to say Zadornov didn't somehow find out about that?
I find it more likely to be leaked by Ocelot, since he was the only other confirmed person besides the DCI to be aware of the Legacy since before OSE. That's assuming the Database is correct in this instance. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:01, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
>He was definitely subtle with Metal Gear Solid 2
I never really found MGS2 that subtle, to be honest. Just confusing script-wise, which I blame on Konami for not helping get a better localization. Even so, he has been a bit more on the nose since then, and I suspect it's partly because of that.
>what's to say Zadornov didn't somehow find out about that?
That's way too big of a stretch, and doesn't even fit the context of the scene.
>I find it more likely to be leaked by Ocelot, since he was the only other confirmed person besides the DCI to be aware of the Legacy since before OSE.
It's possible, but likely if it was him it was done at Zero's insistence as part of his plan to manipulate everyone involved in the SH Incident. Origenes7 (talk) 00:17, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

These images I got of the demo... Edit

Are they good? Like...did I do a good job? We are Diamond Dogs (talk) 11:56, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

They're good enough. That's not to say there aren't better images out there, though. MetalGearInformer actually published several here: Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:58, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Told you the release date was next year.Edit

The picture on Kojima's Twitter was a placeholder date. Nothing more. As always, you are unreliable. Cheers! 12:53, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe, but he really should have tweeted a different page anyways, especially one that doesn't have the Q4 2014. I know I would have if I were in his position. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:53, September 18, 2014 (UTC)


I didn't know that. That certainly answers the question of whether Prisoner 12282, the escaped prisoner, and Hideo survived the XOF attack and what became of Glaz and Palitz if they were captured. Still unclear about Chico though I'm convinced Morpho survived. Thanks for the info. 21:38, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Konami made clear that those who cleared Ground Zeroes will find that all of the guys they rescued on the save file will transfer over to The Phantom Pain once it was released as a bonus for those who managed to clear code the game. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:41, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Peace Walker's accuracy Edit

"As far as realistic or not, I'd handle non-realism as long as it at least has darn good research on history, and quite frankly, Peace Walker butchered it regarding history (most of the stuff from Che Guevara were quite blatantly false. I know there was no record of him ever visiting Japan, though his daughter did. I'd know because I tried to search for something online stating this. Even his final words are pretty much off, as he basically said "Don't shoot! I'm Che! I'm worth more to you alive than dead!" And the French Revolution's history from Cecile was not even close to accurate [for starters, the Jacobins and Gironquists basically massacred anyone they found, and King Louis XVI and his family didn't even do a thing to stop them, even when they clearly had the advantage over the mobs].)."
―Weedle McHairybug[4]

I didn't want to derail the "Clipping Issues" discussion by responding to you there, so I thought I should reply here instead.

There are plenty of books detailing Che's visit to Japan to promote trade in 1959, among many other countries, when Castro allegedly wanted to be rid of him for a time. It shouldn't be assumed that something doesn't exist just because it isn't easily found in an Internet search. Also, another user previously pointed this out to you already[5], but the "don't shoot" quotation was made at the point of his actual capture, something that is especially noted by his detractors in order to portray him as a "coward."

Regarding Cécile, she only very briefly mentions the French Revolution in regards to the national anthem's lyrics, which describe the War of the First Coalition. On this point, she is accurate regarding the (anthem-adopting) volunteers' fight to preserve their constitutional government against the other European monarchies. If you're just referring to the claim that France would not be a democracy today if not for those events, it's a subjective statement anyway. It is true that the anthem was composed during the wider Revolution, rather than "right after," (although a revolutionary government was indeed in place by then), but this is the only "inaccuracy" I can see.

At least these things being mentioned in Peace Walker made you research the subjects more and form your own opinions on them. As I've said before though, just be careful not to let them negatively affect your editing of related articles.

--Bluerock (talk) 01:15, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

I checked the Bing search engine for Che's visit to Japan, and I couldn't find it (again, the closest I could find to a reference to anyone in Che's family visiting Japan was his daughter visiting it). I also couldn't find it in the books that expose Che's more disreputable actions. If there were books that mention his trips to Japan, I'd like the titles. I might also scan them on Amazon's preview option to make sure their sources also aren't stuff that were published by the Cuban government, as they have a tendency to falsify their sources to promote the Che agenda as "Disinformation" as Ion Mihai Pacepa would put it (and he'd know, as he practiced it and even developed some techniques for the KGB and the DIE before he defected to the US), which a lot of Che biographers get suckered with. As far as Che's last words, I'm still pretty certain that "Shoot, you're only going to kill a man" was not actually his last words (especially when Félix Rodríguez does not seem to indicate, at least in "Exposing the Real Che", that Che would have even been the type to say those words, and he's the guy who oversaw his execution), even if his last words weren't "Don't shoot! I'm Che! I'm worth more alive than dead!"
And regarding the French Revolution, I read a lot about the French Revolution and know full well that the description Cecile gave was a bunch of hogwash. Some sources included Operation Parricide, Demonic by Ann Coulter (which is technically more about the dangers of liberalism as a whole than the French Revolution specifically, but she has two chapters dedicated to the French Revolution, and in fact is also where I learned about how King Louis XVI actually dithered at the face of the mob, certainly not try to fight back and even gave orders to his soldiers to not fight back), various articles on The New Criterion and Tradition in Action, Psychopaths, sociopaths and Obama supporters by WesternFreePress (which incidentally also mentioned Che Guevara's true nature in there), and the like. And I won't give credit to Peace Walker for researching it. Actually, credit is more due to someone in my Parish for telling my mom who then told me about the horrors that occurred during the French Revolution, especially their persecution of Christians. By college, I even noted the similarities between the French Revolution and the Soviet Union. Apparently, this was actually intentional, as Vladimir Lenin specifically cited that, aside from Karl Marx's writings obviously, the other primary source for the Russian Revolution was indeed the French Revolution, and even Karl Marx specifically admitted to Engels in personal correspondences that not only was their Communist model going to be directly modeled after the events of the Year 1793 (Robespierre's Reign of Terror, THE namesake for terrorism) to the extent that they will be obliged to re-enact that year once they take over, but they also intended that the people's vengeance and revolutionary terror would be so destructive that even the events of that year would pale in comparison. I will admit that Peace Walker and the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War especially got me researching Che's true nature, though.
There are plenty of articles exposing Che Guevara's true nature, and it's definitely not the kind described in Peace Walker. I'll even point to one author of these articles in particular as a very good source: Ion Mihai Pacepa, since he was actually one of the people involved in making the myth about Che Guevara as the useful idiots as Lenin called them know him today. It was aptly known as Operation Che. Basically, he's a very credible source not just because of his exposing Che's true nature (and this was from a former Communist disinformation specialist who defected to the US and abandoned Communism) but also because he was actually involved in the mythmaking of him, meaning he has more knowledge into how Che's "reputation" by academia and media was a wholesale lie than anyone else. I can also cite Humberto Fontova and any other Cuban exiles, as they fled Cuba specifically because of what Che and Castro did to it.
Sources for Che:
Sources for the French Revolution/Reign of Terror:
Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:45, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
I was actually disputing the specific claims you made about Che not visiting Japan (I'll get back to you on sources), his last words, and the French Revolution in general. I do not defend the immorality that occurred in France or Cuba during their respective revolutions, so please don't feel that you have to convince me of anything. Che's "true" nature will always be up for debate, as he was a very contradictory character in terms of actions and words, and he was clearly made into a heroic icon in certain circles, while demonized in others. Also, you may believe Cecile was speaking "hogwash," but the volunteer armies, as part of the Revolutionary Army, did fight against the First Coalition to defend their Revolution, regardless of whether they had the support of Louis XVI or not. As I mentioned earlier, it's purely speculative whether France would have been better or worse off today if this hadn't occurred, but a democracy certainly did emerge.
I think you're trying too hard to pick apart the personal opinions of the game's characters (guerilla revolutionaries [MSF] and French nationalists [Cecile]), who mention a lot of these topics in passing, and obviously gloss over them. I think they should just be seen for what they are, rather than trying to portray the whole game as being "lies." Clearly, if someone took every opinion at face value, and didn't research history for themselves, then the fault lies with them.
--Bluerock (talk) 11:45, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough on Japan and the French Revolution, but I will mention that most of what Peace Walker praised Che about (which was apparently done because of Kojima buying into the Che biopic's first part back when it was released) was in fact a lie. Ion Mihai Pacepa made this very clear, and he'd know because he played a huge role in the operation as he made very clear (want to know the reason why they romanticized Che and basically lied about him to make him into a demigod? It was basically to save Cuba's Commie butt when it was about to go under without risk of undergoing "liberalization" of its Communist policies like Khrushchev did with USSR after Stalin's death). That's why I suggested you read up on his materials, since not only was he someone who initially was for Communism (at least in the sense of actually working for them, being a DIE agent as well as the highest ranking Soviet agent to ever defect, but he also had quite a bit of involvement in the Che mythmaking aspects and thus has a lot of genuine knowledge on the matter). Well, to be fair regarding Cecile, I'm not sure she actually thought the French Revolution was all that good, since she mentioned that "not everyone was a fan [of La Marsallais {sp?}]" when Big Boss inquired about it. And I'm not so sure all French nationalists held that view of the French Revolution. Joseph de Maistre didn't (he had a lot of choice criticisms for the Revolution and especially its Enlightenment fathers), and he was pretty much as patriotic to France (prior to the Revolution, anyways) as one could possibly get. And the French Revolution and what resulted from that IS why I hate democracy, as democracy means a mob cutting people's heads off for fun (since that's exactly what happened when the Revolution occurred and France became a democracy). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:53, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I totally accept the myth-making regarding Che's character and personality (whether by exaggeration of truth or outright fabrication), but again, I was never disputing that. However, that doesn't excuse disregarding all historical information presented in Peace Walker as a lie, just because one doesn't agree with the characters' praise for him (Big Boss feeling he's "unworthy to polish his boots" is pretty blatantly an opinion). As for Cecile's true feelings on the matter of the Revolution, it's mentioned so briefly, that questioning it so deeply really is making a mountain out of a molehill. Also, the view of democracy that you hate is only the form that the French initially adopted (essentially dictatorship by "the people"), not that which exists today in modern France (and certainly not the type of democracy adopted by your own country in the American Revolution). Democracy ("power of the people"), like any other government/economic/religious system, cannot simply be defined by one single extreme interpretation. --Bluerock (talk) 16:16, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, America is NOT a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic (though that never stopped Woodrow Wilson from erroneously describing us as a Democratic Republic and ensuring we are that since the 20th century). In fact, Ben Franklin actually stated gave a brief and rather unflattering description of democracy that essentially amounted to it being comparable to "a den of wolves debating with a lamb as to what to have for dinner." Another thing, Wilson's motives for participating in World War I (including explicitly breaking his promise of staying out of the whole affair) was to "make the world safe for democracy," which resulted in it only making World War II inevitable, including the rise of Nazism and even Communism to some extent. Plus, we've got stuff like the "Students for a Democratic Society" and "Democratic Socialists," and all of that. Either way, I may hold my nationality as being American, and had initially held American values dear, but after reading Christopher A. Ferrara's book Liberty: The God that Failed, I realize now that the American Revolution truly was no different from the French and Russian revolutions save for the fact that America didn't slaughter a lot of people like the Jacobins did to their fellow Frenchmen or the Bolsheviks did to their fellow Russians, and thus have little trust in liberty or democracy, after those things slaughtered us Christians. And democracy being a mob hacking at people isn't "extreme," it's mainstream, as I cited with those historical examples.
And believe me, I did try to find out if the Japan bit was accurate (in fact, I even emailed Humberto Fontova, the author of Exposing the Real Che, to verify if this was correct), but I couldn't make heads or tails. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:31, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

The United States is both a constitutional republic and a representative democracy. The American and French revolutions may have started with the same ideas, but they interpreted those ideas in such radically different ways at that time, that the two were not even comparable. The simplistic idea of all democracy, everywhere, at all times, being nothing but murderous mobs, based on the fact that oppressive dictatorships also label themselves as democratic, frankly, is absurd. You and I in the West would never consider China a democracy, despite it being a "democratic dictatorship," nor would we do so for the former "Democratic" Republic of Germany (East Germany). It would be as if likening all Christians to the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, or all Catholics to IRA terrorists, because they identified as Christians. Surely, you must realize how ridiculous that sounds. --Bluerock (talk) 18:35, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, no, the United States was never intended to be a democracy, representative or otherwise. In fact, one of the founding fathers, Ben Franklin, as I noted above, specifically denounced democracy by comparing it to a den of wolves. And actually, I'm not so sure their ideas were even that radically different. Reading through Liberty the God that Failed, Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine both supported the French Revolution (something that was even backed up by Demonic by Ann Coulter), and apparently, the other founding fathers may have supported it as well, at least unofficially. In fact, the author even noted some similarities between Hobbeslockean philosophy to that of other Enlightenment thinkers at the time. And speaking as a Catholic, not many of us are IRA terrorists. And you may not, but I would, because what China and East Germany did there was EXACTLY what the French Revolution practiced, which did bring about democracy in that country in the most horrific manner possible (church steeples were even razed on Robespierre's order simply because their designs were "undemocratic."). And ironically, the French Revolution was closer to anarchy during that time. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:55, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
The U.S. Constitution says otherwise, and a democratic state was established, regardless of what the founding fathers may have commented on "democracy" itself. In fact, the Constitution was specifically written so that "mob rule" (the type of democracy they denounced, and which would be the result of the French Revolution) could not come about. Your logic seems to be all over the place. However, if you wish to remain close-minded on the whole topic, so be it, but I shan't further waste my time in trying to have a reasonable discussion. Before I sign off though, I'll give you the book titles I promised, regarding sources on Che's 1959 world trip, so make of them what you will:
  • Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson
  • Companero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda
  • Guevara, Also Known as Che by Paco Ignacio Taibo
I also found this to be a good overview of the differences in the American and French revolutions:
-Bluerock (talk) 23:42, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
Looked up the first author, Jon Lee Anderson. Apparently, he got most if not all of his sources for that book from the Castro Government, going by thisarticle, which makes the nature of the claims suspect. It's like the authors of The Rise and Fall of Nazi Germany getting their sources from Nazis instead of the victims of that totalitarian government. Maybe Che did go to Japan, maybe he did not, maybe Che did say "shoot, coward, you're only killing a man," maybe he did not, but either way, I'd have to treat his book with quite a few grains of salt. And besides, I think he's also the same guy who was singing praises about poetry written by the Taliban (you know, the guys who backed al Qaida, the guys responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks), so I'm not so sure whether he's really that credible or even that moral. I also looked up Castaneda, and based on some of his statements, he probably was a Reconquista (Latin American aiming for Mexico to reclaim the "lost territories") and is pushing for liberalized, unlimited immigration by low-wage workers to the United States, and there's more than a little evidence that he holds Marxist, hard leftist views on things. Paco Ignacio Taibo apparently was left-wing in his views from the little I could gather of him, also using mystery novels to peddle post-modernism. Plus, looking the books up on Amazon, I'm finding it very suspicious that the copies on there are NOT given the "Read-Me" format. You would think that, if what they had to say was verifiable and they had sources, they wouldn't have any problem using a read-me option for people to preview the book before deciding to buy it. Even Ann Coulter's Demonic got a Read Me option. True, it doesn't quite prove that Che Guevara didn't go to Japan, or that his final words indeed weren't "Shoot, coward! You're only going to kill a man," but it most certainly doesn't prove that is what happened and that is what he said, either. Next time you want to give me sources claiming this happened, try one done by conservative or libertarian authors, or at least authors who have completely neutral viewpoints on the matter, not seeking to denigrate or promote Marxism or left-wing politics of any kind. I guess well call it off now, since you want to end the topic quickly and I want to respect your wishes. 02:23, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
The above post was made by me. The server logged me out before I managed to post it due to having to look stuff up. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:24, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
That's odd, because I found previews of every one of those books on Anyway, it is the quality of journalism, and the variety of their sources, which should be evaluated, rather than simply "shooting the messenger." After all, every link posted by yourself above is of an overt anti-left/conservative nature, so I hope you apply the same level of criticism to those, when discerning potential bias. Sorry for being a bit blunt earlier, but the whole sidetracking into liberal democracies vs. totalitarian democracies became a little ridiculous. However, I think I've made my point, regarding prejudice of sources obstructing objective criticism, so I will indeed leave it at that for now. Adios! --Bluerock (talk) 16:17, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

On a lighter note... Edit

You've been editing the Wiki now for 5 years! I think you should set up an avatar on your user page already. Perhaps something for which you are named[6], just to add a little personality? Honestly, it'd take no time at all. --Bluerock (talk) 23:42, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

So how about it then? --Bluerock (talk) 01:20, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
Ehh, I'll consider it. Though given I might be retiring soon from this wiki, it probably wouldn't matter. All I need to do is recover some files, repair them, and then upload them onto this site, as well as other unfinished business (in addition to any MGSV-related stuff that needs to be done) before I can call it quits. Maybe that Jodi Benson interview as well assuming she's willing to cooperate (since we're going to need a reveal on who EVA's voice actress is, given the sourcing policies on the Wiki). I really hope there isn't a rewards zone kind of thing for MGO3, though. It's been difficult enough trying to get all those images and upload them onto the Metal Gear Wiki without college to worry about (and then there... sigh... the 2012 crash), and I really don't want to relive that again especially when the time comes where they just shut down the entire thing. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:34, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

The Boss's Original DesignEdit

Hey, I managed to capture a still shot from the Metal Gear Solid Saga of the Boss's Original design from MGS3, the one with one of her breast's exposed and the snake tatoo. I don't know if I should upload it, does the wiki have any policy that would forbid showing the exposed breast, even in concept art? Geekius Maximus (talk) 04:44, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not personally sure about nudity, but if it's not against the rules, sure. You'll have to ask Bluerock or Fantomas, though, as they're far better suited for that area. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:59, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
Alright thanks Geekius Maximus (talk) 05:47, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

.... Edit

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I... I'm sorry... I really don't know how to. I don't know you or even your gender, so how can I respond? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:01, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

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Ah... ha ha? Merry Christmas...? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:47, December 26, 2014 (UTC)


Have you all ever considered moving the wiki over to Curse's Gamepedia network? Unlike Wikia, they allow customizable main skins, which give you more article space, like Wikipedia -- you guys wouldn't be forced to use Wikia's restrictive Oasis skin and the wiki would look more professional. This wiki would look pretty cool over with a Vector skin.

What are your thoughts? 22:51, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Kaz and CipherEdit

Look, we don't have anything concrete to say that Kaz stopped working for Cipher. While he did admit his cooperation, there's nothing to suggest he stopped. We'll find out in The Phantom Pain I supposeGeekius Maximus (talk) 01:00, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I would have explained more, but unfortunately the edit status has text limits.
Anyways, there's also the fact that in the Cipher call, he specifically told Zero that he was neither an enemy nor an ally, but rather a neutral business partner for the "business angle." Telling Big Boss he was using Cipher to expand MSF is one thing, as he actually could be lying to Big Boss to cover his tracks (though doing that when he admitted he was in on Cipher's plan makes that pointless anyways), but telling Zero, the head of Cipher, and the guy he was supposed to be answering to, this sort of thing as well? That makes it pretty clear that he was indeed only interested in the business angle. And besides, considering how Paz, or rather, Pacifica, made clear that ZEKE was indeed a creation of Cipher and certainly important in their goals, I'm pretty sure Miller would have made sure to notify Zero about ZEKE's wrecked status had that phone call taken place after Big Boss's fight with it, whether it be a hitch in the plan or even all part of the plan. The fact that he didn't even notify Zero of ZEKE's status at all beyond a comment about the AI being operative (which even that may just as well be referring to Paz's earlier modifications) would actually confirm that it was before the ZEKE battle, not after.
Lastly, why would he continue to work with Cipher when he admitted to his role in Cipher's plot? The only time a spy (and he's not even that as his call made clear he wasn't even an ally of them, just a neutral business partner) would do that is when actually making sure to betray someone and making sure they are dead. Admitting you are a spy for the other side and then continuing to work with the side you're supposed to spy against is actually extremely suicidal, so no, he definitely couldn't have been still working for Cipher after that. Do I really need to remind you that even Ocelot wasn't capable of pulling that off? And he's basically a huge spymaster in the series, probably THE biggest one. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:16, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
I won't revert anymore but I will mention that Kaz did have some insider info on Cipher, that being Les Enfants, which I wouldn't imagine Zero would be blabbing to just anyone. Kaz also is talking to him directly (Skull Face in MGSV suggests that to his knowledge, Paz/Pacifica is the ONLY person other than a founding Patriots member (i.e. Sigint, Para-Medic, Ocelot) to have such access to the man), even referring to him as "my dear Zero". While Kaz is Zero's "business partner" he clearly is more involved with Cipher than even XOF as Ground Zeroes suggests. I feel like we're not done with the Kaz/Cipher connection just yet, so we should wait for TPP. As for Kaz's "combat Cipher" speech, he could be either genuine or deceiving Big Boss again (we know XOF is out for Zero as well, remember) Geekius Maximus (talk) 05:59, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I really wouldn't put much stock in Miller knowing about the LET as being evidence that he was firmly into that group. Need I really remind you that even Skull Face knew about LET (heck, he even specifically referenced the failure of that "grand experiment" to Paz.)? And as you pointed out, Skull Face and XOF by extension isn't even close to being a direct contact of Zero (in fact, considering their decoy tape intended to protect the full nature of the base Big Boss infiltrated in the Classified Intel Acquisition mission was of Skull Face torturing a prisoner and relaying his past to him, that would strongly suggest that Skull Face was so low in the ranks of Cipher that they are more than willing to sell him down the river without any serious consequences to them just to protect their black site, in other words, being far lower in rank than even Paz). And as far as proxies, what makes you think he was even talking to Zero? Based on the drama tracks, there's definitely no way he could have been affiliated with Cipher at all, much less a Cipher agent, prior to or even during his meeting Big Boss in Colombia (heck, he was actually pretty easily tricked by an obvious peddler trick from MSF regarding giving messages to his men), and I'm extremely doubtful he would have realized during that time Zero would have been the type to just use proxies. Not to mention, Paz was high enough in rank to actually have direct contact with Zero [and I'd argue far higher than Miller, especially when the latter flat out admitted that he was not even associated to them even in the secret call while Paz, unlike Miller, actually was a card-carrying member of Cipher], and even she was implied to have occasionally gotten proxies in the second transmission. Besides, considering Skull Face had an inside man inside MSF so to speak (Huey), not to mention tortured Chico for information (who most likely would have known about Miller's involvement thanks to his admitting it earlier), he most likely would have found out about Miller's previous contacts with Cipher from either of those sources if that was the case. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:39, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

what Edit

do u have twitter i want to follow u —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Depends, have we met in real life at Dunwoody High School, or Peachtree Charter Middle School, or Austin Elementary School, or at Georgia Perimeter College Dunwoody, or Oglethorpe University, or All Saints Catholic Church, or anywhere in Dunwoody, or even via emails? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 03:50, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
no but i want to follow u it would be good to see what u tweet —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
Weedle, just ignore this clown, he's a vandal. --Bluerock (talk) 23:07, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
that isn't true. I just like weedle and want to see his stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
You're edits prove otherwise. [7] --Bluerock (talk) 10:47, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
well I still am curious what stuff he tweets I think he's cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
Right... --Bluerock (talk) 01:26, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
Yes! Sorry I don't know how to sign

Mother Base AppEdit

Hey, as long as you're doing pics from the Mother Base app, would it be okay if you got pics of all the officers' portraits? I've been curious and I got PC version of Ground Zeroes so no App connectivity for me

Thanks - Geekius Maximus (talk) 01:32, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but only after I upload all the Mother Base pics onto the Wiki. And I'll make sure I take pictures of them as well. Keep in mind that I only got them from doing the GZ app by itself, so I don't have any portraits of any officers that are unlocked by using the app in conjunction with Ground Zeroes itself (especially when I don't have a PS4 to utilize it). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:36, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Hey Weedle, is it possible to get direct screenshots from the app? The ones you've uploaded so far all show the pixels from the tablet's screen and your own taskbar at the bottom, so they aren't of the best quality. --Bluerock (talk) 10:47, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Err... those WERE the direct screenshots (basically, I press a shutter button and it takes a screencap of the current display on the screen, hence it being a direct screenshot, unless you were meaning something else). Sorry if it isn't much help. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:20, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Can't you at least hide the tablet's task bar then? --Bluerock (talk) 13:23, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
I'll make sure I do that. Fortunately, unlike with scanned pages and image where it will be difficult to crop effectively without inadvertently cropping another portion of the page that was actually needed, cropping that bit will be as easy as pie. All that needs to be done is crop the taskbar. And believe me when I say this, I have a LOT of screencaps relating to Mother Base development in the app, close to 130, so this will definitely take time, even if the image upload system doesn't run slowly for whatever reason (I was forced to directly upload the screencaps onto the wiki from the Galaxy rather than simply use my computer to do the uploading after hooking my Galaxy to it because the process was running way too slow. I don't know if it's my computer or the Wiki's image upload system that's the culprit.). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:30, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
130?! I don't think we need THAT many. --Bluerock (talk) 13:33, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to make sure that I got all the various stages of development, including the transition periods between stage developments (that being said, I'll probably subtract some that are doubles), since as far as I know we'd need all the detail we could get. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:56, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sup bro Edit

Hey man, I was wondering if you ever wanted to get on the Wiki chat for a little bit one of these days, I feel like I hardly know you XD. If you don't I understand. We are Diamond Dogs (talk) 01:47, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit reluctant to use the chatroom option, considering how Smart Guy, Sister Sister, and Doug showed the dangers of such outlets (the first two had sexual predators posing as a kid and a fashion photographer, respectively, and the latter had a record store owner posing as a kid and then stealing Doug's dad's vinyl record). Sorry. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:30, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
None taken but what? o_O We are Diamond Dogs (talk) 02:33, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Admin Edit

Weedle you should apply to be an admin. Everyone knows you well and you're an insanely good editor. I suggest you do it! :)   

I'd rather not. I've had a bad experience with admins/mods on some forums, and I do not want to end up becoming like those admins/mods, which I fear I will should I ever become something like that. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:55, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
Wikia isn't a forum though. All it does is give you the ability to protect/delete spam pages basically

EVA edit Edit

Hey Weedle, just to be clear, EVA was aware of the CIA's other motivations since the time of Snake Eater, as revealed in her first tape in PW. She just didn't reveal them all to Snake in her initial debriefing message in MGS3. It's therefore inaccurate to say its new information to her, just using MGS4 as the reference. --Bluerock (talk) 14:02, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

There's the problem, though: it's one thing to with hold information, it's quite another to strongly infer that the CIA knew The Boss didn't actually betray them and thus knew she wasn't actually a threat in regards to her charisma and had her killed just to save face to the Russians, and the latter is precisely what she (and The Boss, not to mention) did, which meant she effectively lied to Naked Snake in that debriefing about the CIA's motives. And BTW, when you are giving a debriefing, the entire POINT is to divulge all the details, which means, yes, she was SUPPOSED to tell him those things as well. Had it been me in her position, I'd give all the details, leave nothing out, perfect honesty in other words (and perfect honesty means supplying all the details, all the minutia, leave literally absolutely nothing out regarding what you know). It's also the reason why I can't imagine her with holding from Solid Snake about The Boss basically being framed by Volgin, because it basically meant she lied to him, or at least didn't tell the full truth. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:10, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
The main problem is that you assume too much based on what you yourself would do, rather than look at things objectively.'s one thing to with hold information, it's quite another to strongly infer that the CIA knew The Boss didn't actually betray them and thus knew she wasn't actually a threat in regards to her charisma and had her killed just to save face to the Russians...

Both can be true, they are not mutually exclusive. She was considered to be a threat regardless due to her ties to the old Philosophers, it didn't matter whether she was in Russia or America. EVA's tapes showed this tension in detail in PW.

...which meant she effectively lied to Naked Snake in that debriefing about the CIA's motives...

It's not a lie, effectively (your opinion?) or otherwise, because neither reasons are mutually exclusive.

...And BTW, when you are giving a debriefing, the entire POINT is to divulge all the details, which means, yes, she was SUPPOSED to tell him those things as well...

Those details didn't exist during the writing of MGS3. How can they therefore be in the debriefing in MGS3? The main thing Snake needed to know was that The Boss was actually innocent and sacrificed her life and honor for her country. Even if, hypothetically, those details existed in the story at that time, cramming that extra content into the finale, regarding all the background politics of the whole affair, would dilute the main message of that particular game's story and make it less effective.

It's also the reason why I can't imagine her with holding from Solid Snake about The Boss basically being framed by Volgin, because it basically meant she lied to him, or at least didn't tell the full truth.

The mission details (minutiae) were unimportant to Solid Snake. The CIA killed her regardless, providing motivation for the conflict between Zero and Big Boss, which was the topic at hand.
Do not confuse brevity in storytelling for character's "lying." Context is everything.
--Bluerock (talk) 15:30, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

Both can be true, they are not mutually exclusive. She was considered to be a threat regardless due to her ties to the old Philosophers, it didn't matter whether she was in Russia or America. EVA's tapes showed this tension in detail in PW.

Ah, yeah, actually, they ARE mutually exclusive. One version (the bit about having The Boss killed to save face and at the same time recover the legacy) would indicate they knew The Boss wasn't a traitor, but were forced to sell her down the river thanks to Volgin ruining everything, while the other (the bit about them fearing her charisma) would imply that, assuming they didn't just set her up from the start, they DID genuinely think she is a traitor. You can't both think she is a traitor and know full well she isn't one.
Wrong! Believing that she's a liability because of her influence is not the same as believing she actually defected to the USSR. That's a totally illogical conclusion, since they planned the "defection" in the first place! --Bluerock (talk) 16:01, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, they planned it, which means they knew full well she wasn't an actual threat to them. A liability, a threat, in other words, means she actually has the ability to harm the CIA, and considering she made clear she was with them all the way to the end, it's pretty clear she wasn't one, especially when EVA's debriefing in Snake Eater strongly implied that they were effectively playing charades with the key members of the CIA's house arrests to make it seem as though The Boss's defection was genuine. Think of it another way, The Patriots planned for Solidus Snake to rebel against them with Dead Cell, orchestrating the event, and it was made very clear that despite Solidus's actions, including taking hostages, they weren't actually threatened in any way. They weren't even afraid of any charisma Solidus Snake may have had. That's why I get irritated with the claim that they were afraid of The Boss's charisma, and cannot accept EVA hiding that from Naked Snake beforehand.

It's not a lie, effectively (your opinion?) or otherwise, because neither reasons are mutually exclusive.

Except they are mutually exclusive, as noted above.
Wrong! --Bluerock (talk) 16:01, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Again, as noted above.

Those details didn't exist during the writing of MGS3. How can they therefore be in the debriefing in MGS3? The main thing Snake needed to know was that The Boss was actually innocent and sacrificed her life and honor for her country. Even if, hypothetically, those details existed in the story at that time, cramming that extra content into the finale, regarding all the background politics of the whole affair, would dilute the main message of that particular game's story and make it less effective.

Yeah, and Genesis didn't even exist in Final Fantasy VII, never mind play a role in the Nibelheim incident. That never stopped the writers from forcing him into the situation where he not only did he appear during Sephiroth's breakdown at the reactor, but even played a huge role in driving Sephiroth mad in Crisis Core. And I go by in-universe stuff, meaning she should have told everything, even if it comes at the expense of the story. And BTW, telling everything doesn't "dilute" the main message, it improves it.
I couldn't care less about other games. EVA DID tell him everything, just not all at once. The other stuff is entirely subjective. --Bluerock (talk) 16:01, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
When you tell them everything, it IS supposed to be "all at once." You can't say you'll tell them everything, and then hide them. I believe in absolute honesty. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:28, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

The mission details (minutiae) were unimportant to Solid Snake. The CIA killed her regardless, providing motivation for the conflict between Zero and Big Boss, which was the topic at hand.

When you need to learn the entire history of an event, yes, the minutiae actually are very important, even if you deem them unimportant.
Solid Snake doesn't need to learn the entire history. What the heck do the fine details of some 40 year old mission have to do with stopping Liquid Ocelot? Don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question since you probably can't tell. --Bluerock (talk) 16:01, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Let's see, considering that 40 year old mission directly involved the history of the Patriots and thus Liquid Ocelot's current actions, a lot of things, really, like why the Patriots were formed, why there was a war between Outer Heaven and the Patriots, all of that sort.

Do not confuse brevity in storytelling for character's "lying." Context is everything.

Speaking as someone who witnessed people saying "you're taking it out of context" in such a way that was pretty obviously a CYA (Cover Your ***) moment, even personally experienced one person saying exactly that about Lenin and Stalin, claiming they and the Bolsheviks took Marx out of context when they ruled over the USSR (even when, if anything, they actually took him well into context), I'm not a believer that context is everything, considering far too many times context is just used as a CYA. Sorry, but given what happened, it's not okay to say "context is everything." I do believe in reporting facts, absolute facts, I should make clear, and I do believe in absolute truth, that's why I get angered with the term "context is everything", or "context" for that matter, because that makes things relative, and is open for making excuses. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:03, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
I could care less about your obsession over Marx, I really could. You can overanalyze stuff all you want, but your absolutist views are often detrimental to you understanding anything. --Bluerock (talk) 16:01, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Considering Marx is the reason many of us Christians were massacred under the name of socialism and Communism, and even he basically was following what the Enlightenment started back in the 18th century (even making clear they are obliged to reenact the Reign of Terror from the French Revolution once they were at the helm), and thus I fully desire to completely undo everything Marx did to harm us and tried to harm God's power over this world, I would strongly reconsider that statement if I were you. And actually, my absolutist views are what makes me and anyone else understand anything at all, especially when, when using relativism, it basically means there's nothing meaningful otherwise. If I were not absolutist, if I believed in relativism like you want me to be, I would be just like Monsoon or Skull Face, who are relativists in every sense, especially nihilism. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:28, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Keep that religious fundamentalist garbage to yourself. Any edits you make to this site based on personal belief will be undone and corrected, I can guarantee you that. Good bye. --Bluerock (talk)
It's not personal belief, it's actual fact. Personal beliefs, BTW, are the same thing as lies, crying wolf. If I were to express "personal beliefs" on this site, I'd be claiming stuff like "Liquid Snake's a girl" just because, hey, it's my opinion, even when I know full well it isn't true and the games make clear that isn't true at all. And for the record, what makes you think that what you are editing is not personal beliefs of your own, anyways? Just because you're a mod and what you say goes? I actually cited something directly from the game, that's fact by definition, not opinion, but fact. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:40, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
Bringing it back to the point (which you insist on diverting and diverting away from), you claimed EVA learned something new in an article because you could not even comprehend that she withheld something previously, based on a personal belief (that she WAS lying). You didn't cite anything to prove this "fact" that you were claiming. I said good bye, now take the hint. --Bluerock (talk) 17:59, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
I actually DID cite something: MGS2, how the Patriots viewed Solidus. And I even pointed out exactly how that would have been exactly how the CIA would have viewed The Boss from MGS3's debriefing (meaning, not fearing her charisma at all). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:13, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

"Mr. President" Edit

Hey Weedle. Alright, the wording in that paragraph then could use a bit of an upgrade. It's clear that there's absolutely no reason Ocelot would be communicating with Johnson after stealing RAY. It's been a while since I've played MGS2 so I may be forgetting a few details, but how does Solidus being underground mean that it's impossible for Ocelot to communicate with him in any way? I always interpreted that as sort of sarcasm on his part (and as sort of a wham line for the player.) -Dysley

This is the exchange in MGS2, shortly after James Johnson was killed by Ocelot (and more specifically, it's shortly after Otacon and Snake revealed the true events of the Tanker Incident):
Raiden : Was Solidus behind all this? He used Ocelot to get hold of RAY, huh?
Otacon : No. He [Solidus] was underground, keeping a low profile at the time.
Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:43, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
Hm.... but it makes little sense that Johnson would order Ocelot to steal the new Metal Gear. It could be that perhaps Johnson was wrong/unaware of how deeply underground Solidus was at the time. I don't know, the whole situation seems very strange to me -Dysley

Most of Mei Ling's codec callsEdit

Hope this helps.

-- 00:14, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

I guess it will work. At least it beats having to going through data texts trying to discern which ones belong to Mei Ling and even whether they're actually included in the game or not. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:24, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Skulls Edit

Thanks for helping me with the Skulls page. I was surprised nobody made this page yet.

recent reverts Edit

You didn't provide a source to back up EtRT occurring before/during PW Chapter 5. --Bluerock (talk) 21:01, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, in that case, here's the source for it taking place during PW Chapter 5:

"Kazuhira Miller: This is the target. The military hasn't retrieved the information themselves, probably because they no longer know who in the Marines they can trust. This "subversion" appears to extend all the way to the base's higher-ups, and the source of it? The organization Paz spoke of - Cipher. You can bet on it. They're involved with the creation of that black site... And that is why the Pentagon chose us. We're their bait to catch Cipher. Which means it also becomes a golden opportunity for us. We might actually get an up close and personal look at the bastards."

This was a call made during the Classified Intel Acquisition when reviewing the iDroid, I think. The way Miller's talking indicated that the Classified Intel Acquisition occurred shortly after Paz's betrayal, not to mention her presumed death and especially Zadornov's death. That basically means with Eliminate the Renegade Threat, which directly mentioned Zadornov at one point, yet not Cipher at any point, indicates that the Eliminate the Renegade Threat had to take place before Paz's betrayal. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:11, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

I had a feeling this was just speculation. Therefore, my edit revert was justified. Thanks for clearing that up. --Bluerock (talk) 21:19, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
That's not speculation, actually. That's stuff directly shown in the game. Speculation would be claiming that Solid Snake was actually a girl dressed up as a guy, in other words, a clear lie. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:21, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

This was a call made during the Classified Intel Acquisition when reviewing the iDroid, I think. The way Miller's talking indicated that the Classified Intel Acquisition occurred shortly after Paz's betrayal, not to mention her presumed death and especially Zadornov's death. That basically means with Eliminate the Renegade Threat, which directly mentioned Zadornov at one point, yet not Cipher at any point, indicates that the Eliminate the Renegade Threat had to take place before Paz's betrayal.

I've put your speculation in bold, so you can see what I'm getting at. Your whole argument is based on a subjective interpretation on "the way Miller's talking," with no evidence to back it up. --Bluerock (talk) 22:29, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

The calls are the evidence. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:34, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Evidence of what? --Bluerock (talk) 22:41, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Evidence of Eliminate the Renegade Threat taking place during the events of Peace Walker. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
No, they only confirmed that Classified Intel Acquisition occurred after Peace Walker, and Eliminate the Renegade Threat occurred before Classified Intel Acquisition. --Bluerock (talk) 22:45, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Pages created Edit

It's a little excessive to be including Talk pages in your "Pages created" list; it should really just show the articles that you've contributed to the Wiki. Also, would't "Pages started" be more suitable a title, given all the other contributors on those pages since? Just a suggestion. --Bluerock (talk) 14:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


go back to te one on the top left where you used mgr's font it was better also t? 05:17, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Recent imagesEdit

Hey! Some of the images came from That is where I got the ones you just asked me about (DD and D-Walker). The majority of the images I gathered came from the E3 Trailers that just came out. First I downloaded them into a video file, then used my video editing software to get a still of the respective frames.

Oh. I thought you might have had access to the demo. Oh well, I guess I'll wait until KP/Konami actually releases it. Thanks anyway. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:01, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
Man, I so wish that was true. Since you brought it up, did you hear about if/when the demo will be downloadable? I am begging to get some Desert/Jungle/Base action. Play Ground Zeroes in a new venue. See if I can find that "legendary bear" and have him sent in the middle of a military outpost.

leaked Achievement list Edit

Hey Weedle, don't forget to use spoiler tags ({{Spoiler}}/{{Endspoiler}}) if posting leaked achievements. Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 16:38, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Took care of it, thanks. BTW, assuming you are willing to do it, can you upload the Trophy images onto the Wiki and add them in? I'd do it myself, but I'm running low on space on my Hard Drive, and I need to back up some things and move them onto the cloud in order to reduce space, and the method I'm using is currently running into some problems, so it will probably take a while. That's not even getting into the tidbit regarding my attempt at saving them having an "Untitled.PNG" bit. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:45, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
I would, but I'm trying to avoid spoilers wherever possible. In fact, I will probably refrain from editing the Wiki for the next few months to do just that. I'm sure someone else will be willing to do it, or you could just wait until you've found enough space. Regarding file names, you don't have to use the default one, just rename them as you save them. --Bluerock (talk) 17:35, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
Eh, fair enough. I personally don't mind the spoilers, but I don't blame you for wanting to avoid taking any chances. We're probably going to need new versions of the Peace Walker, Rising, and Ground Zeroes Achievements/Trophies sometime in the future, though, as I must admit they're not exactly that good (they're good enough to at least show the general appearance for the trophies/achievements, but sadly not for any close-ups), and you probably won't need to look at spoilers when uploading images directly into the specific tables, anyways. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:00, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

continued discussionEdit

I'd love to continue talking to you, but I'd prefer to do so via some sort of IM service. If you have steam that would be ideal. Although we disagree about this subject, I think there is room for us to have a healthy discussion about it as two intelligent, passionate Metal Gear fans. If you're interested, let me know and I can share my contact details, or you can share yours. 

Anyways, I'd like to add that the fact that events from Portable Ops are mentioned in other entries does not in fact validate the canonicty of the entire game. For example, in Peace Walker Kaz says the will "leave that crap in San Hieronymo behind". I agree with you that this does establish the fact that there was some sort of incident at San Hieronymo. However, thats all it does. Clearly Portable Ops has been retconned to a degree because this statement implies Kaz was actually involved in the incident, which was not true in MPO! Like Kojima said, only the broad details are the same. I would take this to mean only the details mentioned in canon entries are canon as well!

I hope what I've written here is clear, because it is sort of a complicated thing to explain. Let me know if I made any mistakes.

Ah, yeah, actually it does validate it's canonicity. And need I remind you that Kazuhira Miller also talks about Operation Snake Eater as well in that same game despite not actually being involved in that mission at the time? And for the record, you ARE aware that that also applies to ALL the entries as well, right? After all, Solid Snake reacts as though he actually saw Liquid Snake die and thus wasn't aware of Liquid Ocelot's existence until Campbell pretty much told him in the Act 1 briefing, and this is despite Solid Snake actually witnessing Liquid Ocelot twice and in two non-consecutive events in Metal Gear Solid 2 and even implying that he's come to terms with the fact that he's back in the ending. Heck, there are plenty of events in the games that aren't canon even when the game itself is canon, like collecting the dog tags in MGS2, or shooting all Kerotans in MGS3, so that's nothing new. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:41, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
Did you miss the part where I asked if you'd like to talk using a more efficient conversation medium, or should I take that as an implicit declination? Doulomb (talk) 20:49, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
If you're implying we should use the chat, I'd rather decline, since I've been taught that using chat rooms is very dangerous. Namely, some creep can pose as either a kid or a fashion model to lure unsuspecting victims into getting themselves killed or worse. That's what happened in First Kid, Sister Sister and Smart Guy at least. Even Doug had something similar where Doug unwittingly let a pawn shop owner steal his dad's phonogram record, and being led to believe the thief was a child. Now, if you meant something else, I'm open to ideas. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:54, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Doulomb(forget spelling) Edit

can something be done about this guy, you've seen his edits. He seems to think he decides the canon. when i reverted the edit you missed on the rising page(he did 2 and you only got the last one) he calls me the vandal. he doesnt listen to anyone else and just does what he wants.

thanks 19:56, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Only if the mods are willing. And I missed them because I was actually out of the house at the time (going to an exhibit). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:26, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
I meant he made 2 consectutive edits and you only reverted the second one, it wasnt a critisism just an observation. i only asked you because you're the most prominant editor here and you allready know the situation, do you know who would be best to contact?
p.s i forgot to sign89.242.142.251 20:56, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
You can try to contact either Bluerock or Fantomas. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:00, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
thank you(the 2 anons above were me) Malice419 (talk) 21:02, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Here's all of Ground Zeroes' conversations.Edit

Some interesting stuff about the LRRP in regards to Glaz and Palitz is mentioned as are the prisoners not being enemy combatants. Hope it helps.

-- 20:32, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look into it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:33, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
No problem. I tried adding the conversation you mentioned but I don't know what triggered the filter. It's not a relevant conversation anyway. It's similar to the other one. When Phantom Pain comes out, I'll try to add some stuff in regards to that game but there's no way I'll get all the conversations. The game's huge. Hope Chico's fate is resolved. Paz must be a clone. Even Vamp couldn't survive being blown to bits. -- 21:34, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Whatever the case, I notified VSTF about the situation. Hopefully they'll clear it up. BTW, can you see if there are any Codec conversations from the game as well? Besides the ones accounted for, I mean? It might annoy you (I heard there was a lot of bad publicity with repeats of Miller's calls, bad enough that KP/Konami had to publicly promise to include an option to ensure there was a way to skip calls during replays), but it's best to be thorough even if undergoing repetition than miss spots. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:38, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
He mostly just talks about the mission objectives and the IDroid. If you aim the binoculars at stuff you can find in the base, he'll talk about that. If you enter a certain area, he'll automatically talk about Paz, Amanda, Mother Base and past information. He also talks about Chico, Paz, and the escaped prisoner if you aim the binoculars at them. I've already posted most of the conversations. Agree about undergoing repetition since some Codec calls are very easy to miss. Judging by the demo though, Ocelot will also be on the codec as well so there won't be too much "Miller Time". And thanks for agreeing that Portable Ops and Rising are canon. Kojima included the former in the Database while ignoring Ghost Babel. I agree though that Portable Ops should have been mentioned more in Peace Walker. -- 21:52, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, agreed on all fronts. I'm thinking of leaving this site in the future though, especially after trying to cite something that actually was stated and verified by someone in the know, yet Bluerock removed it (Let's just refer to the article as CG to avoid getting a mess up. Basically, I quoted exactly from the Politically Incorrect Guide from the 1960s' quote from a certain newspaper statement from him, and that was sourced by Humberto Fontova, but he removes it, despite Fontova having personally lived through the nightmare that was Cuba under Castro and him, and he replaces it with a guy who most likely hadn't even met him or seen what he does.), though I won't be leaving until some things are taken care of, Codec conversations being among those (I still have some calls from Snake Eater I need to upload, including Snake Eater 3D).
BTW, does the second iteration of Metal Gear Online's rewards zone have a backup server to access, like how Star Fox Online has back ups for the official sites for the various games? I'd like to get my hands on those reward zone equipment images again especially after I wasn't able to upload them all before the incident back in October 2012 where my hard drive due to a bad virus ended up wiped without backups. I probably won't be able to upload any images from that game before then, so in case I don't, and you don't have a MGO account, here's the login and password: Login = 22011994; Password = 1994 (it's not mine, it's Genaxx's of MGSForums, he loaned it to me so I could be able to save all those images from MGO's main site). You also need to select "US" if you're going to access it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:23, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't played Metal Gear Online. I don't have an internet connection on my PS3. -- 12:37, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, no, need to worry about using an internet connection for the PS3 or playing MGO, as you won't need either if there's a backup. I'd know because I was able to access the rewards zone without either a PS3 or even my own MGO account. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:40, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

CG revert rollbackEdit

Hey Weedle,

I rolled back your edit reversion, because you hadn’t fully taken into account what had actually been written and sourced, and was blindly reverting without thinking it through first.

Firstly, you didn’t reference the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Sixties as you mentioned earlier; it was Humberto Fontova’s Fidel [Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant] (2005) that you provided as the source. However, if you’d actually read Fontova’s book, you’d know that he himself relies on Jon Lee Anderson’s 1997 account of the Daily Worker interview, via the Havana Journal (which in turn copy-and-pasted Che’s Wikipedia article, back in October 14, 2004). Fontova explicitly cites the Havana Journal as his source for the quote, in the notes at the end of his book.

However, Fontova misquotes Anderson’s account and uses the "heart of the U.S., including New York” line from a 1962 edition of Time magazine (attributed to the Daily Worker interview, yet never printed), and conflates it with “the millions of atomic [war] victims” line from Che’s own 1962 Tactics and strategy of the Latin American Revolution (as published in the 1997 collection by Deutschmann).


  1. I corrected the source erroneously citing the Daily Worker article, replacing it with Time magazine, where the quote actually originated.
  2. I corrected Fontova’s mashup of quotes by replacing it with Che’s very own words, as published in the 1997 collection, along with Anderson’s direct quote on the matter from his 1997 book.

In light of all that, you will see that nothing contradicts the article as originally written, and that my edit was entirely valid (“corrected quote and sources”). In regards to Che’s statements on the missile crisis, Fontova knows little, if anything, more than the sources he references.

I hope this clears things up. --Bluerock (talk) 21:10, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Alpha Group Edit

Hey Weedle, you have a good memory for miscellaneous mentions in the games. Do you know where in the series that the KGB's Alpha Group is discussed? Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 18:21, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

It's in Peace Walker's briefing files, more specifically the ones with Miller, and most specifically the one where they talk about The Boss's reputation as being the mother of the special forces. He also alludes to the creation of the GSG9 in this conversation and even briefly references FOXHOUND. I believe the name of the tape is "Special Forces." Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:46, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. There was no source, so I wasn't sure. --Bluerock (talk) 18:55, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
On a related note, do you know where the KGB's "involvement in orchestrating various rebellions in the West" comes from? Are any specific events mentioned, or was it just a general statement. I know they mention communizing Latin America in Peace Walker, but I'm not sure if that region is typically described as "the West" (politically speaking, anyway). Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 09:45, August 3, 2015 (UTC)
Other than the Latin America reference (which is part of the West at least geographically, in addition to politically even with Cuba), I can't say with absolute certainty regarding either general statements or specific statements. I wasn't even the one who added that bit in. It was probably in a radio call in Snake Eater, but I'm not too sure about that either. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:54, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

The Candelária massacreEdit

Kevin mentions it during an optional codec conversation in Mexico after Raiden kills the cyborgs who fought him after he found the kids' brains. He said eight kids were killed by police in the massacre although technically two were legally adults. No clue why the conversation wasn't put in that Japanese website's codec log.

Is the conversation on the radio conversations article on this wiki? If not, we really should put it on there. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:01, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
It's not on this wiki. I'll have to play Rising when I'm done playing Ground Zeroes and buy The Phantom Pain. I've got the PS4 hooked up right now and don't want to unplug and re-plug it. I'll get around to posting the conversation when I have time. By the way, if Phantom Pain leaks early within the last week of the game, please let me know if Chico, Morpho and the Medic's fates are revealed. Kojima has done a good job keeping their fates a secret so far. -- 21:04, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
Okay. Take your time. I'll also make sure to let you know their fates (though given that the E3 and Gamescom trailers unveiled someone named Pequod in place of Morpho, I would suspect he either died or changed his name), as well as who Ishmael is. ...BTW, you said you've got Ground Zeroes. I mean to ask, is it one of the early editions with a special passcode meant for use for The Phantom Pain to unlock a GZ sneaking suit, or is it one of the later editions? I'm trying to consider whether to get a PS4 so as to get the GZ sneaking suit and input its description or not. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:09, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
Done. I've posted the info. Also please let me know if Eli and that psychic kid are who we think they are. -- 22:17, August 17, 2015 (UTC)
Will do. Will also let you know if "Paz" is the real deal (as unlikely as that is to be occurring) or something else. I'm considering getting the pre-release of The Phantom Pain, if only so I can actually get full details on Canine and also get access to that exclusive video, that and get the Venom Snake emblem and give the full description on this wiki. May also consider getting the Collector's Edition, as well. Getting the PS4 to play Ground Zeroes, let alone The Phantom Pain, however, will probably have to wait, largely because I'm trying to save money getting an external hard drive to retrieve data, which I then plan to upload onto the cloud. And believe me, getting the Collector's Edition and the Steam Pre-Release is practically a bargain compared to getting the PS4 (altogether, it's roughly $160, assuming downloading Steam itself isn't going to cost anything, while the PS4 alone according to Best Buy is roughly $350). Of course, I still have to actually download Steam itself before I actually get the pre-release (I'd do it today, but I'm going to need to close down all my internet and only have Steam's download site up so it downloads without any interferences, and it's already enough of a hassle trying to make sure the V Logs are uploaded onto this site for the entire week as it is. Heck, it's also a limited window of opportunity since this pre-release, or at least it coming with Ground Zeroes, will be gone come August 31, so I can't dawdle either.). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:38, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Leave the Big Boss page alone. Edit

As Bluerock said "Official promotional material trumps all gaming guides unless the final game says otherwise." the guide and that NeoGAF link are not the final game nor are they confirmations, the guide is speculation and the GAF page shows nothing but a guy claiming to have a source, which anyone could do, and a picture that anyone with decent skills with photo editing and 3D modeling software could make. Venom being/not being Big Boss is not confirmed until the game is released and I will continue to revert any edits to either page that says otherwise until the game is out and it's proven for a fact that Venom is/is not Big Boss, or until the page gets locked.Kornflakes89 (talk)

You DO realize that the game's street date was recently broken in Belgium and that they actually have some people doing live plays in French for the game, right? This is as official game material as one can get, especially when that alone actually would be credible enough to take the screencap at face value. And since you obviously haven't read the post, the person made very clear that they watermarked the image specifically to deter the idea that it was photoshopped and to show it was indeed uploaded by him at the anonymous user's request. You want to complain, take it to NeoGAF, specifically to thabtoUK, I'm sure he'll try to clarify for you if this was fake or not and even explain the know-how. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:52, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
 :: You do realize that the street date being broken does not mean every single person who claims to have played/beaten the game are telling the truth, right? Except it's not, official material is stuff released from the development team. No I've read it, all I see is a guy claiming he has a source and a picture that anyone could've made with any skill in 3D modeling software. Watermarkings don't mean a thing, I could take a screenshot of Naked Snake in MGS3 wearing the Raikov mask, watermark it and say that Raiden is MGS3's real playable character, it doesn't make it true, anyone can watermark a picture. The final game is not out and Bluerock was very specific about keeping it the way it was until the game says otherwise, now you can either leave the pages alone until the game is out or I can go to him again and request the pages be reverted and locked, your choice.Kornflakes89 (talk)
There's a big difference between your example and the kind of thing shown there. They'd need a lot of resources to pull something like that off, which makes it extremely unlikely that's an actual photoshop. Especially when the means to photoshop would require them to actually use various elements and make sure to edit some things in such a way to be plausible, which really takes a lot of work and can actually be a huge giveaway that it's not the real deal to an astute person. Just face it, you're in denial. And for the record, the fact that there were people actually doing streams (at least until Konami shut them down one by one) makes it pretty clear that there are indeed people who have in fact played the game and are telling the truth. Oh, and for the record, on that forum in question, only one person actually seemed to call it a photoshop, and even he backpedaled when learning the "Nazi-symbol" was actually a Manji symbol. Everyone else, even those who most likely would have some knowledge of photoshopping, were quick to believe it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:17, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
Good for them? Doesn't alter the fact that not everyone claiming to have played/beaten it is telling the truth, nor does it alter the fact that Bluerock very specifically said to wait until the game is released, this is the last time I'm going to revert those edits, if it happens again I'm requesting a page lock.Kornflakes89 (talk)
Yeah, and the game was released in Belgium. It may be breaking the street date, but it's still a release, is it not? You have a problem with it? Take it to that guy on NeoGAF forums. And for the record, THIS is what an actual video game-related photoshop looks like: And they made that by ripping renders from both Portable Ops and Peace Walker. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:48, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
A release yes, but not an official release and the NeoGAF post is not officially released material, the guy isn't involved with Konami and offered no proof they've played and beaten the game, the games street date being broken does NOT mean everyone who's claimed to have played/beaten it is telling the truth, otherwise I could claim that the street date was broken where I live and that I've played and beaten the game and that Venom is Big Boss and it'd be just as much credible proof as the NeoGAF post is, as in not at all. Bluerock said to wait until the game's official release and that's exactly what's going to be done whether the page gets locked or I have to keep reverting it every ten minutes until September first.

Who said anything about photoshop? Photoshop is not a 3D modeling software and no, the game does not have to be out for people to make models off of them, quite a few people can and have made models that are almost 100% accurate to the actual games models without ever ripping them from the game, and again, anyone can put a watermark on a picture, that doesn't make it legitimate.Kornflakes89 (talk)

 ::  :::  ::::  :::::  ::::::  ::::::: You were the one who claimed the images were faked as a reason to undo them. And for the record, when we've got people posting streams of this game, in French (well, French subtitles/menu, anyways: The actual spoken language is English), yes, it is definitely legitimate (or are you going to claim all those streams are somehow clever manipulations just because you are unwilling to even acknowledge that you might actually not be as smart as you believe yourself to be and believe that for once, maybe it is the so-called "moron" who is correct). And use common sense, even if anyone can put a watermark on there, they'd still need to actually go through the work to actually make the image look legit, and can even backfire. Either way, I'm pretty sure even Bluerock is going to agree that this is definitely not premature either, especially when these screencaps actually do come from the game. Heck, even LunarRoar, one of the biggest doubters for the claims made on the Who Is Ishmael page, was pretty much sold when he saw those screencaps (In fact, his exact words were "Whelp, well, that settles it!".). To be honest, your claim about it not being released is coming across as a deseperate excuse to deny what is clearly the case, if I must state it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:32, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

I will also continue to revert the page. A gaf page is not confirmation, and that's seemingly the only source you've used. I'm all for editing it when more and absolutely EXPLICIT proof is there, not "my source says so." or a source that has a clearly outdated Outer Heaven logo. Until then, leave it alone. It's literally a few days. Wertwert55 (talk) 00:09, August 26, 2015 (UTC)Wertwert55

Hey, guys, as much as I hate to admit it, like I REAAAALLY hate to admit it, but I think Weedle here's right, the leaked new-game plus screens, the Gray Fox-Solid Snake-Raiden alternate skins, it all points to what was said on the NeoGaf article being true. Heil the La li lu le lo (talk) 00:28, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Spoilers Edit

Don't post spoilers in edit summaries. --Bluerock (talk) 16:48, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Holy Shit!Edit

Chico died? God Damnit! Can you provide a link to the briefing files please?

Since I don't have the game and Konami deletes any playthroughs left or right that have broken the street date besides the Funny Play videos by Greg Miller, I can't do that. I CAN, however, link you to someone who has: Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:51, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Too late. Link is gone. Kojima really went batshit insane in regards to retcons. Amanda enjoyed Chico's death. Huey's a murderer who killed Otacon's mother who is Strangelove. Big Boss is the medic. The medic died in 1995. Volgin was brain-dead. At least Quiet, Amanda and Cecile get to live I like them. Anyway, let me know if Psycho Mantis is that floating guy. Eli is all but certainly Liquid so the whole "He told me I was inferior" was not bullshit. Next game, I'll bet Kojima will make Raikov Raiden's father. -- 20:12, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
That's IF there's a next game with Kojima at the helm, anyway. Don't forget, he got fired by Konami just a few months ago. The only chance he has at getting a new Metal Gear game is if Konami either hires him back or Kojima somehow manages to buy the franchise rights back. Though I thought Robin Mask mentioned that she wished Chico could see Nicaragua as it is now, though, or at least what he claimed was in the tapes... Eh, never mind about that. And yeah, no kidding about the retcons. I think it officially surpasses even MGS4 or PW in terms of the sheer amount of retcons. As far as Cecile, technically, we don't even have much information on Cecile other than that she was in France at the time of the Mother Base attack. We'll probably see soon enough what goes on, though. Though... I think the topic link's still working. Certainly it works for me. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:22, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Amanda is mentioned? That's great news. So she mourned Chico. That's good to hear. Anyway, thank you so much for the info.-- 20:42, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
One more thing. Zero became a vegetable in the 1980s? That definitely contradicts what EVA said about Zero placing Big Boss in a coma though I guess she would have no way of knowing it was the AIs due to defecting. -- 21:11, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, apparently, Amanda continued with her FSLN activities and made Nicaragua more peaceful (though that probably didn't need to be said since both Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes' ending timelines strongly suggested this), and her influence was such that Diamond Dogs didn't even need to use Latin America as their location for Mother Base (Miller still preferred basing them there over Seychelles, though). Also, she gained widespread status as a hero, which allowed her to aid Strangelove in recovering portions of Peace Walker from Lake Nicaragua (though because Peace Walker itself was too heavy, most of it was transferred to the USSR, which also explains why the Mammal Pod was in the USSR and how Strangelove got trapped in it), and she had been contacted by Strangelove shortly after XOF's attack on Mother Base. The sourced tapes are Amanda & Chico and Strangelove's tapes in the series "WHAT HAPPENED TO OLD MOTHER BASE MEMBERS", and the tape "Connection with the Seychelles" for At Mother Base, just in case you're curious. Oh, and since we're talking about tapes, the tape "Cipher's Will" basically implied that in the whole affair of Peace Walker, Miller was more the Metal Gear equivalent of Barry Burton from the first Resident Evil than Albert Wesker (ie, Zero pretty much forced him to allow Paz to infiltrate MSF, or at least, I THINK that's what it's referring to [the original source stated that Zero pretty much forced Miller to take the mission with Paz].). And yeah, pretty much a vegetable, and yeah it contradicts. EVA at least has an excuse, I'm not sure Ocelot and Big Boss do, though, since they apparently planned things and knew Zero was a vegetable. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:32, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I've played Resident Evil. Miller's comment in GZ about not knowing Paz was a spy was clearly a mistake by Hideo. Anyway, some guy keeps reverting the spoilers. You should contact Bluerock when you get a chance. Also, thanks for the info. Greg Miller's comment about us not playing Big Boss wasn't a joke after all. -- 21:41, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, and Greg Miller's probably the closest to official confirmation pre-game release as one can get since his Let's Play is pretty much endorsed by Konami. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:44, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits and spoilers Edit

Weedle, please contain yourself from posting spoilers. It's not about these things being false (most of the things you've posted are true; not all mind you, Venom didn't trigger the Outer Heaven uprising, he was just Big Boss' body double during the events.) it's about adding info before the game releases and everyone has their hands on it. For many it's disconcerting and possibly hurtful to their enjoyment of the game. Please be considerate of others. -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 22:38, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm making sure any and all characters who both debuted prior to MGSV and actually appear in the same game have a Major Spoilers tag at the top of the article as well as spoiler tags in the incriminating sections. I know what I'm doing. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:43, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Can you remove this page title please?Edit

The "The Kojima Ruse Cruise" on Venom Snake's page is asinine. -- 13:13, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Wish I could, and I did attempt to rename it back to Venom Snake (The Phantom Pain), but it claims the article was already created and thus I can't move it back. There's nothing I can do about it, so I'm forced to wait until September 1 before it gets moved back. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:16, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
Actually, you fixed it. Thank you. I've actually seen a photo of the ending timeline about the medic being Big Boss' double in Outer Heaven. It didn't look photo-shopped. So what Kasler said was a rumor after all. Makes sense in two ways. I always wondered how Big Boss was able to escape with two missing hands and two missing feet and also survive being hit by a Stinger missile. Anyway, at least we know that Hideo, the unnamed Intel Team agent, the undercover agent, and the bald Marine survived the events of Ground Zeroes. I guess Hideo and and the Intel Team agent were on missions when Skull Face attacked. -- 13:27, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
I decided to try another route, not much to take credit for. And yeah, agreed. I'm still baffled as to how Big Boss can get to Outer Heaven from FOXHOUND HQ without being spotted or even leaving any traces that he left, though. And yeah, I was pretty doubtful about Kasler's rumor being true as well even before this. Putting aside just for a second the logical problems posed for a fresh quadruple-amputee being blown mostly to bits by a RPG-7 round managing to escape via a long ladder climb (very long, as a matter of fact since the bunker is 100 stories underground), there's also the fact that Kasler basically stated that Snake cannot win against Big Boss and even openly told Snake to give up, stating that there's literally nothing Snake can do to beat Big Boss when stating this rumor, which meant that had Big Boss realistically been a cyborg, not even that unconventional method of burning Big Boss with a makeshift flamethrower made from laceur spray and a sterling lighter would have put a dent in Big Boss, at best just ruining the paint job. The fact that the flamethrower actually worked suggested that Big Boss was indeed a flesh and blood human being after all. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:40, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

So she returns?Edit

Yeah, apparently, she does, and in fact she's technically the first character to recognize Venom Snake as not being Big Boss (unless you count Ocelot's "introduction" as a hint as well). I know I found a transcript on GameFAQs or NeoGAF, but I'll have to do some digging to find the specific topic with some help. And as far as Rebenok, I really don't know. That's probably one of the few things that hasn't been leaked, not yet at least. That bit may HAVE to wait until launch whether that's true or not. As far as Vanessa Marshall, considering that Yumi Kikuchi confirmed on her twitter account that she will have a voice role in The Phantom Pain that's most likely Strangelove, it's very likely that Vanessa Marshall might return as well (last I checked, she didn't have a falling out with Konami over a pay dispute or was mentioned to have been replaced). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:24, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Big Boss editsEdit

Stop editing Big Boss's page to say him and Venom Snake are 2 different people FFS. Wait until the game comes out.

Those leaks have been confirmed to be legit, actually. Even Greg Miller and that Dutch/Spaniard guy who made that Dutch article made it pretty clear they were legit. We're keeping them. At least be glad the article actually HAS spoiler tags to ensure you don't look at it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:35, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

You DO realize the Neogaf post and italian guide leaks are fake/mistranslated, right? Edit


Even if they were real, which i know for a fact they arent, its a dick move putting tem up before the games out. 

Why the fuck are you believing a fucking forum post anyway.

If you want to make a stew about the Italian guide leaks being mistranslated, how about you do yourself a favor and talk to LunarRoar about it. He's the one who translated the pages. All I did was put the information on the page. Heck, you know what? How about I ask him if he's good at Italian just to ensure that he is good at it.
And as far as the NeoGAF post, actually, that NeoGAF post is gradually revealing itself to be valid. Aside from the fact that those twists have been confirmed by streamers and Greg Miller, heck, even that Danish/Spaniard guy who wrote a review for the game, there was at least one player who confirmed that the bit with Huey actually did happen the way the guide described it. In fact, the only mistake the guide made is that it wasn't even Huey who seemed unsure of Big Boss's identity, but the Mammal Pod. And have you forgotten that the game broke the street date not just in Belgium, but also in the Middle East and as far as even Asia? Oh, and Robin Mask also has a copy of the game as well. And the leaker is very careful regarding who has the game and who doesn't, as he actually spent two days trying to verify a hoodlum who tried to scam him into believing that he had a copy of the game actually had it before the hoodlum in question gave up. And besides which, screencaps are coming out that are verifying that guy's claim, anyhow, including the bit about Zero's visit to Cyprus.
I might as well point out that those articles have spoiler tags for a reason. If an article has spoiler tags, the common sense approach to someone who doesn't want spoilers is to get out. Capiche? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:02, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

How and when did the game leak?Edit

It's not impossible to play the game non-stop for a few days. I saw that happen when MGS4 leaked. -- 18:22, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

I know Belgium was one of the earliest countries to leak the actual game, I think it was around August 23, maybe August 22 at the earliest. The guide was definitely leaked around August 21, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:25, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations on being right about the Mother Base member tapesEdit

They were shown on Greg Miller's walkthrough but not played. You were wrong about Raikov though. The person on fire is Quiet. You even see the same shotgun shells on her hip. Also, you were definitely right about Strangelove being Otacon's mom. MGS2 did foreshadow this when revealing Otacon had British relatives. Also, according to the text dump, Big Boss was in a coma for nine years too but woke up before the medic.-- 19:21, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wrong about that regarding Raikov. Still, at least we know what that person on fire was all about in that VGA teaser. And to be honest, I had a bit of help from Robin Mask regarding the tapes. And yeah, the text dump revealed quite a bit. Like for example, apparently the facility Volgin (aka, Man on Fire) was held had burned to the ground (it's implied he was responsible for the fire) around the time Third Child's plane crashed (interestingly enough, you can even hear a radio news report about the crash in the scene taking place a week after Venom Snake wakes up just before the Doctor tells Snake about his injuries), and Man on Fire in particular was one of the reasons why they were forced to accelerate their plan to wake Venom Snake up (well, XOF as well, but they put particular emphasis on Man on Fire in that tape). And to answer your earlier question, yes, Vanessa Marshall does reprise her role as Strangelove (her name is shown in the opening credits).
Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:28, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
Even more news, Eli IS Liquid. A tape confirmed this. EVA, Donald, Zadornov, and The End are mentioned. Gerald Ford was President in 1974. Skull Face killed Stalin and joined the SAS which is how he met Zero. Donald became the leader of the Patriots after Ground Zeroes. -- 20:40, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I read that as well. I don't know if this was in a tape or in the ending conversation (the leaked text dump, or rather, excerpts of it, don't really make this much clear), but I also heard that Miller stated he truly lost things with the whole Venom Snake posed as Big Boss deal and decided to back Venom Snake and later the LET children specifically to get back at Big Boss. Oh, and apparently Ocelot may have been the one who killed Miller relating to a falling out due to Ocelot potentially siding with Cipher and/or a falling out regarding which LET child should they see through. Can't say I'm surprised that Donald would be the guy to head the Patriots, seeing how he's pretty much the guy who came up with the AI controlling things with Zero based on Miller's call. And yeah, I also read up on Skull Face assassinating Stalin (Ocelot even implied that the method in which Stalin died was one of Skull Face's MOs). EVA, The End, and Zadornov are new, though.
BTW, I was looking at Reddit and I stumbled upon a transcribed conversation. I guess either Piggyback Guides either made a mistake when covering the Who is Ishmael section, or Paz is a physical phantom: Either way, here's basically how the conversation went:
"[BIGBOSS]Paz? [PAZ]Snake...? [OCELOT]She's been acting different lately. [OCELOT]Before, she'd respond to conversation - so long as it didn't conflict with her...timeline. [OCELOT]But now, nothing gets a reaction from her. [BIGBOSS]What happened? [OCELOT]No idea. [OCELOT]Well, Miller did go and tell her that Skull Face is dead. [OCELOT]If anyone should want revenge against him, it would be her, but... [OCELOT]It's not like an "angel of peace" to cheer for somebody's death, now is it? [OCELOT]Take a look at this, too. [OCELOT]See it? Right there. [BIGBOSS]Her wound is open? [OCELOT]Yeah. It was all closed up, but then it went back to this. [BIGBOSS]Why? [OCELOT]The medic has no idea how it happened. He figures it must have been self-inflicted."
Based on this, Paz may have actually survived the events of Ground Zeroes, or at least some portion of her did. Not entirely sure what was up with that conversation, really. I guess we can only find out. Only thing I can guess is that this conversation must have happened after Skull Face was given the Coup de Grace by Huey, seeing how Ocelot referenced Skull Face's death and apparently Miller told her as much. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:56, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

MGS5 Leak Edit

So you would post a major spoiler after a supposed leak? If it was real then thanks for ruining the game bro. Awyman13 28 August, 15 20:30 CT

You do realize that the articles I listed them in had spoiler tags on them right? If you don't want spoilers, don't visit the page or even the wiki. It's that simple. At least Bluerock is avoiding spoilers himself. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:43, August 29, 2015 (UTC)
I think his point is that leaks, no matter how credible looking, should not be added until the game is officially released when everyone can find it out for themselves with absolute certainty, which is something I agree with, officially released information is one thing, but leaks, credible or not, don't belong here.Kornflakes89 (talk) 04:51, August 29, 2015 (UTC)
Do I really need to remind you that a major part of the reason those paragraph spoiler tags were even created was because of the leaks for Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes? Ask Bluerock. He'll tell you. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:54, August 29, 2015 (UTC)
Do I really need to remind you that I don't give a crap whether the pages have a spoiler tag or not? It's leaked info that had no proof to back it up, people agreeing with it doesn't mean anything as it's nothing more than word of mouth with no physical proof, that kind of stuff doesn't belong here regardless of how legitimate it seems, the spoiler tag at the top of the page doesn't change that fact. You wouldn't have put in that MGS3 was about a time traveling Solid Snake just because someone who got the game early claimed it was would you? No, you'd wait until the game came out to play it and see for yourself, which is why you being so insistent on the leaked info needing to be added doesn't make sense, as you said, if it were you, you'd be taking video and screenshot proof before adding it in, something none of those people have done, yet you're taking their statements as confirmed fact when you yourself said that you'd be giving more than just words as your proof.
Regardless of everything else, leaked info that has no proof behind it does not belong here, as Bluerock said, if people wanted to look at leaked info they can go right to the source of it, but this isn't a forum, this isn't the place for unconfirmed rumors or unconfirmed leaks, this is a place for confirmed facts that have real proof to back them up.Kornflakes89 (talk)
We've got screens proving that Huey does indeed kill Skull Face, as well as streams confirming most if not all of the stuff that was reported on, and even that leaked text dump. At this point, this IS actual proof and actual confirmation. Even Bluerock would have to agree since that stuff came from within the gaming code. And if I had an early copy of MGS3, I wouldn't say those things about a time travelling Solid Snake precisely BECAUSE that's not what's in the game. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:51, August 29, 2015 (UTC)
@Weedle: And? All those screens prove is that Huey does do that, there are no screens or videos that prove what's being said about Venom. And you need to re-read my post because I didn't say anything about you getting MGS3 early. Said text dump also contradicts itself, it says the new Metal Gear's cockpit is only big enough to fit a child, then according to someone else who's also going through it, also says that Skullface pilots it, so either the text dump is filled with intentional misinformation or someone going through it is lying, either way it's an unreliable source until the game is out for everyone and what's what can be found out with absolute certainty. How legit something looks does not change the fact that leaked info like that does not belong here.Kornflakes89 (talk)

-- 21:19, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

@Kornflakes: Do yourself a favor and actually download the text dump. You want verification with your own eyes, you can use that text dump. All you really need to do is use the enter key to separate things and then you can see for yourself independent of any opinions, including my own. And honestly, the Metal Gear series itself has contradicted itself constantly (for example, in MGS2, after Raiden realized he never met the Colonel even once, the Colonel states that whoever he was has Rose hostage, yet when Raiden is advancing further and is about to fight the Arsenal Tengu, the Colonel makes it seem as though the Sons of Liberty has Rose), so that's not an excuse for unreliability (otherwise, if we were to use the whole "it contradicts itself" as a reason to not include something, we might as well not even have the wiki at all). Otherwise, literally everything in the series is unreliable. Last point, you did actually mention MGS3 in your post. You said "You wouldn't have put in that MGS3 was about a time traveling Solid Snake just because someone who got the game early claimed it was would you?" I responded that if that had been me, I wouldn't have stated Solid Snake time-travelled precisely BECAUSE I know from playing the game it wasn't, and if anything I'd add in exactly what the game stated. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:56, August 29, 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't matter if I did download it, if I found one statement that contradicted another, like others did when people were going through it and posting what it said, I'd flag it as unreliable and that'd be the end of it until the game comes out and I saw for myself.
"You wouldn't have put in that MGS3 was about a time traveling Solid Snake just because someone who got the game early claimed it was would you?" Read that bit again a third time, and a forth and maybe a fifth for good measure, see anything that makes you see that you didn't entirely understand what was being said? Like maybe...I don't never saying you're the one getting it early? Because, as I already said before, I never said anything about you being the one who got it early in the scenario I gave. So I'm going to explain this as simply as possible.
You, who we'll call Weeds, and person who gets game early, who we'll call NotWeeds, NotWeeds gets MGS3 early, NotWeeds claims that it's about a time traveling Solid Snake, NotWeeds provides no video or screenshot proof, does Weeds take it as fact and try adding it here? Or does Weeds do the smart thing and wait until he's played the game himself, or someone has screenshot or video proof that confirms/denies the claim being made?
Which is entirely the problem, what's being said about Venom definitely without a doubt not being Big Boss has no screenshots backing it up and no videos backing it up, you're taking peoples word for it when you haven't played the game for yourself, nor have you actually seen screenshots or videos that confirm or deny the claims. There being no proof that confirms/denies it is exactly the reason why it shouldn't be added because until there is either screenshot or video proof or until the game comes out and everyone can see for themselves, it's not confirmed.Kornflakes89 (talk)
Well, considering the leaked VCS pretty much disproved the claim that Solid Snake was time travelling, obviously I wouldn't add it in precisely because the leaked VCS all but confirmed that the Snake being played is NOT Solid Snake. And for the record, like I said earlier, if that was your reasoning, you might as well delete the entire Metal Gear Wiki, then, because the games contradict themselves, even in the same game. I gave you the Colonel and Rose example. Another example is how Kaz mentioned he either left the JSDF two years before the start of the game or three. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:29, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Just wanted to inform you that the one image you were using to source a bunch of stuff on the Skull Face article died and is no longer available. 

Griffster26 (talk) 15:55, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

You want your proof? Here you go, Korn.

The MSF medic IS the playable character. NOT Big Boss. Kojima played us like a damn fiddle. Weedle was right. You were wrong and an asshole to the guy. Weedle, I bow to you. You were right the whole time. Kojima went batshit insane with retcons.

-- 23:17, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
It's not really much, really. Besides, I was somewhat mistaken about it being Solidus. Besides, I'm not particularly happy about this revelation myself. Not that I'm not satisfied that I'm actually right about this, but more that it retconned the heck out of the saga in ways that were worse than even MGS4/PW. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:58, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

about MGS5 new update spoilers "Venom Snake"

venom Snake its us... the player... we are big boss who kill by Solid Snake in MGX

So Volgin does die in the gameEdit

Good, he should have never been retconned to begin with. Also, Cecile is mentioned by "Paz". Haven't found the cutscene with Nuke yet. Please post it when you can. -- 13:28, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, seemed like a bit of a waste, really (speaking of Volgin, though, a character in one of my fanfics relating to Disney's Beauty and the Beast, with the plotline being tied to the French Revolution is going to be based on Colonel Volgin. You can find my concept here. Obviously, he's going to be the primary villain in the fanfic.). I'll try to find the cutscene with Nuke if I can, but I'm probably just going to give up on Metal Gear soon. In case you're wondering why, learning that Hideo Kojima is not only a socialist, but basically is a huge fanboy of Communism is pretty much the last straw that breaks the camel's back. No offense, but worshipping Communism and being a Socialist is truly something I cannot tolerate knowing how Communists tried to harm us in the past with the USSR and other Communist states and even the French Revolution and Reign of Terror, which Marx explicitly stated was the origin point for the Communist Manifesto, and wanted to at the very least re-enact the Reign of Terror. I'll try to get every info I can on the game up, including detailed descriptions on the preorder stuff (in fact, the preorders are pretty much the only reason I'm even bothering with this game), and the briefing files/radio conversations (which I'll try to get on youtube anyhow), before I make my departure. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:38, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
You really are a fan of Disney movies. I love the films Frozen, Big Hero 6 and Wreck it Ralph. Didn't see Hans being a villain coming until the scene where he says "a true love's kiss". At that moment I realized he was a villain. -- 13:44, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
Your work/contributions on this wiki throughout the years have been amazing Weedle, I hope that the recent game and craziness surrounding it (the leaks in particular) didn't deter you from hanging around here any longer. If it means anything to you, you'll surely be missed. DementedP (talk) 13:48, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@ Well, somewhat, anyways. I used to like Beauty and the Beast, but let's just say that's a "phantom pain" now thanks to delving deep into history, especially the persecution of us Christians starting with the Enlightenment (while there were elements of Christians fighting Christians over ideology before then, never had it been Christianity as a whole that was persecuted since I think the Crusades when Islam tried to exterminate Christianity), and bad college years where teachers were more concerned with indoctrinating people into the left-wing ideology and learning about how literacy and education promoted by the enlightenment doesn't help either. I'm definitely a fan of Ariel and The Little Mermaid, though, and I thought Lion King was excellent and Emperor's New Groove was comedy gold. I'm not sure about Frozen, though (Is it just me, or did the out of the blue twist regarding Hans seem like the people who wrote the movie had played way too much Metal Gear?), and I haven't seen Wreck it Ralph or Big Hero 6. My fanfic is more intended to give more exposure to the evils the French Revolution wrought, though, and I chose Beauty and the Beast since the film was strongly implied by Glen Keane to take place in the prelude to the French Revolution. Belle won't be the hero of that story, though, the protagonists would probably be the triplets as they need more characterization and the little characterization they got suggests from cross-analyzing history with the film that they definitely wouldn't have been the types to follow the Enlightenment philosophers or the various factions of the French Revolution. Now, make no mistake, Belle most certainly will be in the story, but she's not going to be the hero. I'll give you a hint: Volgin isn't the only Metal Gear Solid 3 character I in effect based a character in this story on, and since that guy represents Volgin, The Boss would probably have a character basis for the story as well in many ways.
@DementedP: Well, actually, the leaks, while they played a role in my coming to decide not to continue being on here, was minor to how I came to my decision. Actually, my decision was made as early as 2011 (long story short, I got really disillusioned when I learned Che Guevara's true nature and how Kojima either lied about him in his Peace Walker game or otherwise did a severe asinine lack of proper research into the time period). I just felt I had a duty to continue giving any info I can regardless of my personal beliefs. Heck, the leaks weren't even the final straw, either: That Piggyback Guide interview with Kojima on MGSV acted as the final straw when he mentioned that he was a socialist and a huge fanboy of Communism (I ordered the Collector's Guide so I could post the source). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:59, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@Weedle: Ah, I can definitely understand that and it's a shame that such views from Kojima conflict with yours that it personally makes you feel uncomfortable from staying here any longer. Personally on my end, being an adamant feminist myself, I've found myself growing more indifferent towards Kojima's handling of his female characters and it's just about reached its breaking point by MGSV (specifically, Paz, Quiet, and especially Strangelove's horrible off-screen death being the final straw). While I love the series for its sheer ridiculousness, colorful characters, and often times, admirable outlook on life, I can't help but feel that Kojima's views on women can be so damning and dense. I can't help but feel like MGS3 was one of the few times we were lucky enough to get great characters like The Boss and EVA, yet it seems like such days are past for Kojima with the recent treatment of his female characters in MGS4 and MGSV. In this regard, I can definitely understand why you'd feel uncomfortable based on Kojima's views on socialism and communism. DementedP (talk) 14:25, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@Weedle: here are all of Paz's cutscenes. Hope this helps.

-- 14:47, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look into them. I also hope those V Logs end soon. I was just about ready to end them yesterday when I learned on Monday that they're still continuing them.
@DementedP: Yeah, agreed with that as well (and I really wasn't happy that Kojima thought it was a good idea to claim that literally every single woman basically became harlots as a result of May 1968, which is the main reason I'm not particularly fond of Cecile, though that being said, I was glad Cecile actually DID seem to imply disagreement with Snake and Sartre about Che Guevara being the most complete human being of the century [it's nice to have a breath of fresh air for someone, especially someone on the good side, to actually hint that he's not at all good when pretty much everyone in the cast seems to praise that monster without even giving any hint at his having flaws], and she did seem to infer that she wasn't a fan of the French Revolution). Seriously, Paz and Quiet really were not handled well at all (I wasn't particularly fond of Paz in Peace Walker since she basically placed all the blame on America for the ills of her country and didn't seem to even consider that the Soviets and the FSLN were just as much at fault for her country being ruined as America was, even after Amanda had the decency to admit the FSLN were responsible for the drug trade, which not only made her basically a tool, but also pretty much compromised her cover realistically since it would become pretty obvious she's at the very least a KGB plant from that.), and I really was disgusted with Strangelove's death and Huey's overall actions. I'm not much of a feminist due to real bad experiences with feminists who were more concerned about lying about any sufferings women underwent [ie, claiming women couldn't get an education at all until the 1960s] and shaming men, yet even I agree that his depiction of women as you described was nothing short of deplorable. Well, I'll finish up what needs to be finished up, but after everything's uploaded, it's time to say goodbye. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:59, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@Weedle, yeah, Paz being raped and tortured and Strangelove suffocating to death is fucked up. As for Kojima, he's definitely got some left-leaning beliefs. His criticism of Guantanamo is obvious in the Phantom Pain. I'm no fan of the prison but I doubt all of the prisoners are innocent. I do however agree with Etsu Tamari's criticism of the Iraq War in Rising. -- 15:14, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@Weedle: In my case, it's more of the modern sentiment than necessarily the actual politics of the feminist movement (especially radical ones) that I support, but yeah the point still stands. Well I hope you enjoy your time after making your last edits!
@ Yeah, the way Paz and Strangelove were treated were really questionable and nothing short of horrible/excessive especially for characters who had important roles in a previous MGS game (PW specifically)). Kojima can't claim to be doing gritty realism when he still tries to put in stupid/ridiculous things in his games. It's just bad form and the bias against treating his female characters with any form of respect becomes really obvious. DementedP (talk) 15:27, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@ Yeah, the not-so-subtle jabs at Guantanamo Bay were prevalent in Ground Zeroes (and while I'm not so sure whether it's a good idea to have Guantanamo Bay prison in an area that is technically Communist Bloc, I do think that most of the people imprisoned really do deserve to be imprisoned there. Now, if they are demonstrated unambiguously to be innocent, then they crossed a line, but as long as they're imprisoning actual threats, I have little quarrel with it). I'm in the gray area about the Iraq War, though. While I'm not entirely sure whether trying to democratize the Middle East is a good idea (heck, Democracy itself is pretty much an irreparably broken institution if France during the French Revolution which was all about democracy and forming a republic is anything to go by), especially when it led to the rise of ISIS and an even worse persecution of Christians than ever before, I do think the initial reasons did have validity (in fact, I heard that the nukes were absconded before the invasion by Saddam and his family and sent to Syria), and Saddam Hussein was definitely a monster who needed to go. I also looked at the first Paz video. I noticed that the comments Paz made were references to her diary entries (well, barring the 11th entry). I also briefly witnessed the beginning and end of the second video, but haven't watched it in full just yet (bit squirmy about guts, really). I'm still not quite so sure about her being a hallucination. I could buy her and even Miller and Ocelot in those scenes being a hallucination if it weren't for the fact that she left behind a tape explaining her suicide. Hallucinations don't leave behind tapes, after all, since they don't exist, so I really have some problems with that bit. Maybe if they didn't have the tape at all, I'd believe she was a hallucination fully.
@DementedP: I have little problem with feminists trying to destroy porn or stop sexism, or women determining things as long as it's actually warranted and they follow God's will, so in that respect, I am one. But when they defend or promote porn or exploitation of women as "liberation" like Simone de Beauvoir did, even getting girls to lose their virginity and then be tossed out like broken objects once outliving their usefulness like what Beauvoir and Sartre did, I won't support that. And yeah, shame on Kojima for doing those things, especially when he's still including quirky elements. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:50, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
@Weedle: I think the Paz we see in TPP is most likely a hallucination (a very vivid one anyway). The idea of bringing photos back to her while reminding ourselves of her past death is very reminiscent of a lot of horror games/films I've witnessed. Then there's the fact that when Venom Snake wakes up he's already outside with little to no injury from the resulting explosion. I think the point of the side quest with Paz is that it's meant to mimic that feeling of loss/regret over a person's death similar to the idea of a phantom pain (which would really well into the game's themes). The main indication that Paz is already dead was the butterfly that flies by Venom Snake, in which in Japanese culture the butterfly is often used to symbolize death with supernatural undertones. DementedP (talk) 16:25, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
She might qualify as a ghost at best, since ghosts at least are susceptible to and interact with machines based on the Ghost hunting missions in Peace Walker (to say little about the ghost hunting easter eggs in MGS1, MGS2, and MGS4, and to some extent MGS3), but not a hallucination. Anyways, I do think that including a tape having her describe her suicide from the above and reasons for doing so comes across as extremely pointless if that was just a hallucination, so that's my main reason for doubt. Basically, if you're going to have her be a hallucination, don't give physical evidence that indicates that it's not, ie, don't have a left-behind cassette tape explaining why she committed suicide. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:31, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
Actually I agree with you there! A ghost (or "phantom") definitely makes more sense than saying she's a hallucination, especially given the context and the way that the scenes are setup. Not to mention the tape she left behind, which again, is very similar to a lot of supernatural/horror fiction I've seen.DementedP (talk) 16:37, September 2, 2015 (UTC)
The tape could also just be a hallucination. If you ever saw the film A Beautiful Mind, the main character hallucinates about riding in a car, being shot at and pushing something out a window. The fact that Paz blows up without any damage to Venom Snake or Mother Base is proof that she's a hallucination. -- 17:26, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Big Boss (John) playable in the Phantom Pain Edit

Hello there Weedle, how are you? I wanted to ask if you know that Big Boss is playble in the phaton pain, is he playable in the game or not? Tesshu (talk) 01:09, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Not really, not unless you count Main Episode 46: Truth The Man Who Sold The World (though even that's mostly a retread of the prologue anyway with you controlling Venom Snake as usual). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:32, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
I see, do you think that the real Big Boss not being playable in the game is dissappointing? Tesshu (talk) 01:43, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
A little, but I'm more irritated at how pointless this and the other elements of these things in the game were, since it basically retconned a lot of stuff and even cheapened what was an albeit bittersweet reunion and reconciliation between Snake and EVA, Liquid, and Big Boss in MGS4 and the fact that they basically screwed over the intended point of trying to show Big Boss descending into villainy. All for a MGS2-style twist. It wasn't well received the first time around, so why would Kojima repeat that. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:47, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
This plot twist is reminding me of the introduction of Raiden in MGS2, many people disliked him when they first saw Raiden, it took time for us to like him but Mr.Kojima re-designed him into a awesome ninja-cyborg. I guess this plot-twist and the "New Snake" in the Phantom Pain is to attract younger players to play MGSV much like Raiden was created to appeal to japanese players. What dissapoints me is that Big Boss does no meet/fights his son, Eli aka Liquid Snake in the storyline, he does not interact with Quiet and He doesn't fight against Skullface at all in the end. ¨This "Big boss clone" does all the work that the original should be doing. Tesshu (talk) 02:10, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
At least with Raiden and MGS2, whether the players liked it or not, it actually did work for the intended theme, so there actually WAS a point to it. With this one, however, it was completely pointless even down to the intended themes, to say little about the plot. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:18, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, it makes a lot more sense with Raiden being the protagonist in MGS2. I do think they should have kept Big Boss as the main playable character of Phantom Pain, because the game was supposed to be the best Metal Gear game featuring John as the main protagonist and i was hoping to see a open world game feauring Big Boss(After all the exploration in MGS3). Well at least we can play as Big Boss in Ground Zeroes. Still after all this i will try the Phantom Pain and analize the story/gameplay to pass my judge on the game. Tesshu (talk) 02:27, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Any chanced you could post the code name and picture of the Bald Marine in Phantom Pain as well?Edit

An IGN video showed Hideo, Glaz, Palitz and the Agent but not the Bald Marine. I also find it strange that 20 volunteers show up even though the player can only extract 15 POWs and four unique characters. Also, my apologies about the PO edits. MGSV does contradict the ending scenes a bit due to Ocelot saying Zero founded Cipher with the Legacy Snake recovered and that Ocelot had to get the KGB's half afterwards so canonically Ocelot said "I've come for your half of the Legacy" and "So we can become Cipher." -- 16:38, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to search for him on my own spare time. He should be fairly easy to identify since he's a cue-balled fairly heavy-set Caucasian. Wonder where that extra person came from, though? I guess a programming error?
And hey, don't worry about it. Like I said, I don't mind if Portable Ops is not relegated to a side entry, but I do particularly mind if they claim it's non-canon when Kojima made clear it was indeed canon. And I did some digging into Doulomb's background, and it's pretty clear he does have a dog in his fight for his edits, since it's pretty clear he hated those games (the video he gave had its author being a notorious anti-Rising person).
I'll probably be off the Metal Gear Wiki by 2016 (only reason I'm staying as long as I am is to make sure the Metal Gear Online descriptions for the three CE items are included). I've already inputted the descriptions for the four PB Shields and their weapons, plus the four fatigues and the three cardboard boxes for the Collector's Edition, and since there's no in-depth description for each of the weapons and equipment, I see no real reason to do much more beyond giving a list (I am a bit surprised that the PS4 and Xbox One handbags/Steam box is not included in the game though, or at least, that's what Piggyback's Collector's Edition seemed to indicate, since their Box demo did feature the first two prominently, and even focused in on them). Besides, I have to jot everything down on several sheets of paper and then walk from one part of the house to another to jot them in since my computer and the PS4/TV are in two separate rooms, so I can't exactly afford to jot every single item down.
And quite honestly, I'm personally a bit irritated with Hideo Kojima's tendency to retcon things quite a bit. If the retcons were unavoidable and there's really no other way to do so, fine, he can do that, but if he has to retcon everything just because he can, I'm sorry, but that's NOT the mark of a good writer, regardless of whether he claims it is so he can make the stories as good as he can. It's funny, a lot of Kojima's fans seem to slag off on Portable Ops, and love Peace Walker and MGSV, yet of the three, Portable Ops actually DID come far closer to actually BEING a Metal Gear game, while the other two just came across as being more Pokémon like as well as being overall pointless to the narrative (in neither game do we even establish Outer Heaven. We established military groups, sure, but not Outer Heaven. At least with Portable Ops, he did actually get the name for Outer Heaven as a response to Gene's treatment of soldiers, and besides which, it at least did show the reasons behind the founding of FOXHOUND, which actually was an important element in the games). Heck, even Rising, the whole stealth predatory gameplay mechanic aside, actually came closer to meeting the standards of a Metal Gear game than Peace Walker or MGSV did. In fact, one of the reasons one of my fanfics is on the backburner right now is because not only am I having to deal with multiple sources that conflict, but also my own fear of retconning things specifically because I don't want to be a Hideo Kojima regarding story writing. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:16, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ways to help Edit

Hey Weedle, while you're still among us, I thought of something more helpful that you could channel your attention to detail into.

When you're editing, could you make sure that all spoilers are tagged correctly across the site. I'm getting the impression from other users that this isn't being done correctly, and they're stumbling upon spoilers without being clearly warned beforehand, e.g. as described in this thread. If spoilers are in the intro, it must have a spoiler alert for the whole page, but in some cases it may be wiser to remove spoilers from the intros entirely. Maybe remove all "medic" links as a temporary measure also, since that's the biggest one; they can easily be reinstated when sufficient time has passed.

Since I don't wish to be spoiled any further myself, any assistance you can provide on this would be very much appreciated. Thanks. --Bluerock (talk) 18:44, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'll do what I can to add in the spoilers for articles that don't already have the tags (bear in mind, any of them that debut in this game will most likely have a major spoilers tag on the top). In the meantime, can you try to deal with that Doulomb person if and when you are able to? He's currently trying to rewrite Portable Ops and Rising to claim that the games are not canon, which are in clear violation with your statement that we not indicate that the games are non-canon, and even Fantomas is getting rather ticked off with him as you can see in the Rising edit history. At this point, Doulomb may actually need a permanent ban since he's clearly unwilling to obey the statements you made about avoiding referencing the game as non-canon, despite my repeatedly stating to him that this is not what Bluerock stated should happen and even quoting you. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:58, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
I've responded to Doulomb on my Talk Page, and given him my thoughts on the matter. In the mean time, don't make issues worse by resorting to edit wars, and at least attempt some form of compromise among yourselves. --Bluerock (talk) 19:14, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
I compromised with him in the sense of agreeing that they were side-games, but he still insists on claiming they are non-canon, and if agreeing that they are side games is not enough of a compromise, there IS no way to compromise.
Also, sorry to ask, but can you give me some more specifics regarding which articles are lacking the appropriate spoiler tags? I need to make sure I get all of them down, and I may need a full list just to be sure. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:16, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't really know. I thought you'd have a better idea to be honest. Ocelot for one was mentioned in the thread, and unless there's some huge earth-shattering revelation about him in TPP, then he doesn't strike me as a character that needs spoilers in his article's intro. Just keep an eye open and take a look back at your previous edits over the past couple weeks. --Bluerock (talk) 19:24, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, managed to implement the Spoiler Tags when applicable in each TPP related article. Only ones I haven't applied them to are easter egg characters like any of the uniques/POWs you transfer over via a GZ file (exempting Hideo, and even then only because he was the subject of a side op in TPP), the Paz poster, or Zadornov/Cecile. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:18, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Quiet-Thread / RetconsEdit

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Nuhr wrote: @DementedP

It's not Kojima's fault. Certain male characters cannot be killed or seriously harmed because this would violate the canon. Even if Kojima had wanted to, he could not, for example, have the Diamond Dog-soldiers kill Huey after the interrogation-scene because Huey's death would violate the canon. As Otacon mentions in MGS2, Huey commits suicide by drowning himself in his family's swimming-pool.

Do you really think Kojima would even care if he violated canon by killing Huey. This is the same guy who retconned more than half of MG2 with MGS1 alone, as well as the same guy who decided to completely rewrite Miller's backstory for no real reason. He could kill off Huey without even batting an eye at violation of canon if he wanted to. He even stated as early as MGS3's development that he's very much willing to violate canon if he thinks it makes a better story.

Hi ! xD 

I really do think what I said previously. I also hate retcons, but let me explain.

When Kojima wrote MG1&2 in the 80s, technology did not allow him to write complex stories so he was forced to write very basic stuff. It was a fight for evry byte, back then. He also could not forsee that he would one day continue Metal Gear. That's why he does not mind about retconning MG1&2, because their stories are just a loose framework. Also the information featured in guide-books / whatever is not necessarily canon, we don't know if Kojima green-lighted the information himself (regarding Miller etc.)

Another example because I'm sure you'd bring it up: Liquid telling Solid that Big Boss was in his late 50s when LET happened also does not get "retconned" by the earlier games. Liquid simply hates Solid and therefore wants to taunt him by implying that Solid will die of old-age soon.

On another note: You have 37000 edits on this wiki, so you really must love MGS. Great, so do I, but let me tell you something. If you ask me, Kojima bullshits people a lot in interviews, because gaming-"journalists" are morons. So I wouldn't take everything he says seriously. For example, he also, when giing interviews, oftentimes says that he is NOT purposefully trying to write complex storylines, which is of course a lie. But he is lying because he wants people to counter him, but because they are stupid and ignorant, they never do because basically nobody has any idea about what is actually going on in each game. So I think he gets a kick out of telling people crap.

Have a nice day

Nuhr (talk) 21:35, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

I only edit this wiki because I figured I might as well give any possible information. Just don't like it when information is scarce, that's all. I barely care for the series as it is.
So far as the point about retcons, at the very least, the instruction manuals you were referring to are canon, especially when in those cases, you literally need the instruction manual to get through part of the game (meaning they definitely had to be penned by Hideo Kojima himself), as it is the only source that allows for the player to decipher Madnar's tap code (that, as well as getting a new frequency from Campbell, but that isn't necessary for completing the game, unlike with Madnar).
And in any case, we've still got Kojima explicitly stating he would retcon the entire chronology and make inconsistencies simply because he thinks that respecting the story limits him from making a great game. You can even find the image as a footnote on the Retcon page. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:43, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Uploading images possible problem. Edit

Edit: Nevermind, got it working, disregard this.Kornflakes89 (talk) 20:30, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Chop to ribbons Edit

I know that part, but I think it's an inconsistency with real life. But in any case, the being able to stay outside with little clothing, his body temp has went up from fighting Snake and since he was outside where it was cold he didn't need to sweat to make up for the lost of heat so I think that part is still not very valid. It was only a couple minutes, so being able to withstand it isn't really above average. But revert it if you think it's a valid pointCloudtheavenger (talk) 00:00, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the bit about his wearing no top was actually referring to when he encounters Snake near REX just before fighting him in it. And considering REX's underground hangar was very close to the permafrost layer, he definitely would need to wear a LOT more protective clothing than just a trenchcoat with nothing underneath. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:04, September 28, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Weedle, is there any word on when that Snake Eater DLC skins are coming out? And if they're single player or MGO? Heil the La li lu le lo (talk) 04:05, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, they came out just yesterday on the Xbox One. At least, that's what Metal Gear Informer indicated. However, the one thing I do know with absolute certainty is that they are definitely for single player. However, speaking of MGO, do you know how to access the gold Wu Silent Pistol, gold AM-MRS4, XP Boost, and Metal Gear REX head? I thought I would get them from inputting the TPP code because that lady at Konami's support center indicated that that's what should have happened when I asked her about MGO's code, but I didn't get any message on the matter. And I need those voucher items so I can give the description for them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:44, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
Read the page, October 20th? Damn. And no, I dunno how to get all that stuff, I'm pissed off that they've done absolutely nothing to stop the hackers. Heil the La li lu le lo (talk) 14:49, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I just discovered that. I thought it was the 6th due to this: Well, right now, I'm playing phone tag with Konami because for some reason their operators are late. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:51, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Nearly all of the Intel members that have to be rescued are random.Edit

With the exception of Ziang Tan, they never have the same codename or facial features. Spying Harrier, Silent Basilisk, the sympathetic Russian soldier (Wild Chameleon) in Malak's mission, the two medical workers, and the Soviet mole always have the same codenames. I can't remember the latters but I'll post them when I get to the missions. Ziang Tan is named after a level designer and a running gag in the game is that he has a nasty habit of getting captured. Venom Snake has to save him five times (including the mission in which he was recruited). You managed to get a PS3? Great news. Be sure to listen to the briefings of each mission. -- 15:08, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I got a PS4, and pretty much only did it so I could give the descriptions for the various voucher items. And thanks. I guess I'll have to create an article on the Intel Team members some other way. Can't use unidentified since Bluerock will delete it in a heartbeat. Might create the Ziang Tan article, though. Funny, he was in the E3 2014 demo. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:17, October 12, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, Bluerock is a real piece of work sometimes, especially regarding Portable Ops. But nothing we can do about that. -- 15:27, October 12, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah. BTW, can you put up the radio conversation about Ocelot's explanation as to why the Soviet Army was primarily Russian instead of made up of people from Central Asia? I'd do it myself, but my computer and my PS4 are at two different rooms. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:33, October 12, 2015 (UTC)
Sure, but my computer and my PS4 are also at two different rooms. Luckily, I have a notebook. -- 15:39, October 12, 2015 (UTC)


I found them on an IGN thread. An editor here claimed that Prisoner 12282 is Bitter Centipede but I have yet to find a picture of that special volunteer. -- 17:54, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

By the way, if you ever create the Trafficker's page, here's his interrogation comments. "Please... let me go... My family is waiting for me.. I don't want to become... one of "them..." I saw it... saw the Skull... watching me..." -- 19:58, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, though I still think I need a link to at the very least the IGN article, maybe an email with the images in question. Since I'm not a member, the links currently used as sources direct me to a login page rather than the actual images.
So far as the Trafficker's page, I did just that after you suggested it. I wasn't sure if he spoke in a different language, so if he does, feel free to add in the italics as appropriate. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:29, October 19, 2015 (UTC)
This is where I found the pictures.

I can't upload them. Sorry.

-- 21:51, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

That's all right. I got an IGN account to get them (also had to go through some extra work to save the images for the Wiki by going to FireFox [which luckily hasn't crashed this time around] since for some odd reason, any images from Facebook or Twitter if they are to be saved via Internet Explorer have the titles replaced with "untitled". Don't know what that's all about or if there's something wrong with IE or my computer). Sorry for the lack of a response earlier, the wiki forced me out for maintenance so I couldn't respond as soon as I wanted. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:21, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on Quiet!Edit

So the novelization (which had to be sanctioned by Konami) reveals she burned herself alive. SHIT, I thought she simply shot herself by putting her rifle under her chin and pulling the trigger. I always assumed she did die because living in the desert for almost a century would be very difficult. -- 20:35, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome, though the thanks should be directed to Morniing, since he was the one who posted the information in that topic about Quiet in the first place. Still... immolating herself, that's pretty dark, though I guess a rather poetic way to go considering being set on fire was the reason why she got the parasites in the first place. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:37, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
Ground Zeroes was dark too. Poor Paz being beaten, whipped and raped by an XOF member and dying when she was blown to bits. Chico being forced to have sex with her and then dying in a helicopter crash. Anyway, if the novel confirms that Rebenok is Mantis, please post the information on his article.-- 20:46, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
I think Arkhound already took care of that (and if he is to be believed, the novelization, similar to the retcon the MGS4 Database gave about Ocelot's past, claimed that his past registration as an FBI psychic was false to protect his identity), but I'll see what I can do if there's any sources that are pulled up. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:50, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
You're right. He did. Also, if I remember correctly, an emblem named Mantis shows up after Eli escaped from Mother Base. Too bad there wasn't a novelization of Peace Walker to confirm our suspicions about Hot Coldman being the "deviously cunning strategist". Even if we ignore the nuke launch, Gene still said that the strategist also planned The Boss' death and the mission in Grozny Grad which Coldman admitted to when punching Big Boss. -- 20:57, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
Well, no English novelization anyway. There was one written by Hitori Nojima, the same guy who wrote the aforementioned The Phantom Pain novelization, but the most we've gotten out of it is a potential image of Nuke the cat. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:00, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

A note on FOBsEdit

Hey Weedle just dropping by to let you know that your first FOB in The Phantom Pain SHOULD be free, so you should be able to document the areas where you can buy one without spending any MB coins. Paranoid Donkey (talk) 14:52, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Edit: Ah, I just noticed you've already added the info. Nice job. Paranoid Donkey (talk) 14:53, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed it on a Youtube video longplay for the game (though I don't know if the North Pacific, South Pacific, and North Atlantic are the only ones available for FOB1 regardless of whether you do the tutorial or not, or if they're the only ones if you use the FOB tutorial), and come to think of it, they also mentioned it in the Piggyback guide. I will ask one thing, though: Are there any other territorial waters for FOB 3 up to FOB 4 beyond the seven already listed under FOB 2? If so, can you add them in and possibly their material deposits as well (not to mention the costs for FOB3 and FOB4 territorial waters? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:58, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Minet and Jodi BensonEdit

Just letting you know that Kris Zimmerman didn't actually deny that Jodi Benson was EVA - the person who made that edit clearly didn't watch the segment from the interview. She didn't specifically deny anybody, she just shook her head and said "so sad, so sad" implying that the hosts and fans would never know. Paranoid Donkey (talk) 05:30, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Got it. Made sure I corrected myself to everyone involved, and also removed the note about it being confirmed not to be her. BTW, other than staff rewards, are there ANY differences with the Version 1.06 version of Mosquito's Legacy? I just want to make sure I have all the stats down correctly, especially when last I checked, they didn't have it up on Youtube (November version, not first version). In fact, could you upload a video of this months version of Mosquito's Legacy including the selection process from the iDroid? I want to see the stats with my own eyes, and I don't think I'll be able to unlock it before the end of the day. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:44, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
I would, but unfortunately I can't. I'm having MAJOR internet issues right now and I'm calling my ISP tomorrow but there's no telling when they'll get their act together, or if they can even fix it. Either way, I seriously doubt there is any change but I can record a video - just won't be able to upload it. Paranoid Donkey (talk) 14:02, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Eh, okay, I can wait for you to upload the video until your internet is fixed. I suspect that, the reward soldiers aside, there's not much difference, but I'd rather play it safe to make sure its as accurate as humanly possible. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:09, November 16, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Da Shago Kallai Commander Edit

I stated where you can find it during the mission in my edit summary. Just listen to it by getting up close using stealth or using your intel scope to listen from afar.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 21:16, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

I actually was meaning whether you could transcribe it. I'd do it myself, but my PS4 and computer are in two different rooms in my house, thus requiring I walk, I also have to transcribe the dialogue exactly as it is given, which is difficult since I have to write down every part of the dialogue exactly as it is, which combined with my slow writing speed will require several tries. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
For future reference, please reply on my talk page so I get a notification. Secondly, I'm busy right now sadly.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 03:03, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

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